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[BleacherBum2310]

I'd probably do the #3 and Bradley for Butler but I don't think that will be enough.

[tonybologna]

Quote: Originally Posted by BleacherBum2310

I'd probably do the #3 and Bradley for Butler but I don't think that will be enough.

That won't be enough for getting Butler. It would take 2 players in my opinion from our current roster + the 3rd pick in the draft so 3 players overall. I think our best chance at landing him is the 3rd pick, Jae Crowder, & either Bradley, Johnson, or Smart.

I'll throw Rozier in there too because of his youth & he showed towards the end of this past season that he's a capable guard to play both ends of the floor but would never be a star.

It would depend on what the Bulls want or their biggest needs are before making the trade with us. The TWolves are also interested in Butler as well with probably a few more teams that haven't even been mentioned yet. I think us along with the TWolves have the better chance at landing Butler because of what both teams can provide back in return.

We just need to be careful & not give away too much. I don't think Ainge would fall for that stuff either. He knows what players we have & draft picks if needed to trade in order to get Butler fairly.

Let me say this. Bulter would help the Cetlics tremendously but I really don't think just getting him alone brings us over the hump. It would take another star/semi-star too to add to this team. I don't know who that player would be but it can't just be some regular Joe.

Maybe we can work a trade to add Noah in on a trade for Butler but he's still not enough either. If we were to get both Butler & Noah in a trade that would cost us at least 2 current roster players & probably 2 draft picks.

Maybe even 2-3 current roster players & 2 draft picks. It's not too far away until all these questions will be answered for us. I trust Ainge in what he does but I'm still nervous about it.

[areobee401]

I would have to give strong consideration to passing on Butler if it took the 3rd, Bradley, and Crowder. I like Butler's talent, but Crowder and Bradley are decent players in their own right, and are under very team-friendly contracts. And as Tony said, Butler would be another fringe All-Star added to the roster. At the expense of losing our own fringe All-Star (Crowder was arguably one this past season) and a NBA All-Defense 1st team player in Bradley.

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by tonybologna

I agree with you on both fronts. If KD is part of it then yes do whatever it takes. On the 2nd front, Just getting Butler straight up I agree in the players you said we might have to give up. I would give up Crowder & the 3rd pick anyday to get just Jimmy Butler himself. If it takes more than that than that then I wouldn't want to give up but one more player. Maybe Rozier or Johnson but not both. I would do everything that I could if I were Ainge to try & keep Bradley. He's meant to much to this franchise & is still a force on both ends of the court. I would say 3 players is plenty to give up for gaining just Butler himself. The 3rd pick, Crowder, & either Johnson or Rozier. Maybe even Smart as that 3rd player too but I would love to be able to keep him because he's a two-way player just like Bradley. Thanks!

The main reason I say Johnson is because if we do trade for Butler, then I assume we would have grab on of the top FA big's (hopefully, Horford or Whiteside). Olynyk is still under contract, Sully and Zeller are both RFA and could be brought back. Jerebko has an unguaranteed contract of only 5 million next season so I'm sure he will be back (although he could be trade bait, as well). Mickey should be ready for minutes and we could possibly draft another big as more insurance. My point is I think one of our big's from last year is going to be expendable and if Johnson is that guy in order to get Butler, then so be it.

As I said before I'm just not that big on Rozier. I know he started playing much better at the end of the season and in the playoffs, but he's replaceable to me. I'd much rather give him up that Smart. If we're giving up Smart I'd rather them come up with a package so we could keep Bradley and Crowder... although, I don't think that's really realistic.

Quote: Originally Posted by areobee401

I would have to give strong consideration to passing on Butler if it took the 3rd, Bradley, and Crowder. I like Butler's talent, but Crowder and Bradley are decent players in their own right, and are under very team-friendly contracts. And as Tony said, Butler would be another fringe All-Star added to the roster. At the expense of losing our own fringe All-Star (Crowder was arguably one this past season) and a NBA All-Defense 1st team player in Bradley.

I wouldn't want to give up Bradley and Crowder unless Ainge and company somehow knew that they were going to get Durant. Even then that's a tough pill to swallow, as well as a huge gamble.

[areobee401]

Jerebko and Johnson have team options for the upcoming season. The thinking is Boston will pick up both. By doing so the team will take on a $17 million cap hit. Why many expect this to happen is because those dollar amounts will be needed if a trade is made. If Boston were to trade for an established player, the team they trade with will need to make up the dollar amount sent to Boston. Johnson or Jerenko will help that team meet the cap floor.

So if a trade happens expect one of the two to be involved. All the C's younger players make peanuts compared to them.

[tonybologna]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeremym480

The main reason I say Johnson is because if we do trade for Butler, then I assume we would have grab on of the top FA big's (hopefully, Horford or Whiteside). Olynyk is still under contract, Sully and Zeller are both RFA and could be brought back. Jerebko has an unguaranteed contract of only 5 million next season so I'm sure he will be back (although he could be trade bait, as well). Mickey should be ready for minutes and we could possibly draft another big as more insurance. My point is I think one of our big's from last year is going to be expendable and if Johnson is that guy in order to get Butler, then so be it. As I said before I'm just not that big on Rozier. I know he started playing much better at the end of the season and in the playoffs, but he's replaceable to me. I'd much rather give him up that Smart. If we're giving up Smart I'd rather them come up with a package so we could keep Bradley and Crowder... although, I don't think that's really realistic. I wouldn't want to give up Bradley and Crowder unless Ainge and company somehow knew that they were going to get Durant. Even then that's a tough pill to swallow, as well as a huge gamble.

I agree with you on Johnson. He would #1 have to be involded in a trade to get Butler because he makes the most money out of all the players we have on the current roster. Johnson is not a star player & he's getting way overpaid. We need to let him go or get rid of him. However you'd like to explain it. To get Butler, he would be the #1 player involved in a deal for sure.

I also look at that & say who would want to take on that contract of his? Like areobee401 said below we would have to pick up his option to use him as that trade bait for get Butler or whatever other star we are looking for.

I also agree with you on Rozier & keeping Smart. Smart not only is more established he's also a better all-around player than Rozier. Smart has really started coming on & he's even shooting the 3 ball much better too.

We all know he's like a Tony Allen on defense. He can guard any other guard in this league & even some SF's as well. We need to keep him. I'm afraid he might be one of the guards to go though in a trade. Rozier isn't good enough in my opinion to use as trade bait. I just think it would be coming from 4 total players involved if there's a trade for Butler or another star.

Those 4 players would be Johnson, Bradley, Smart, & Rozier. Jerebko would also be a possibility but I believe he stays in Boston. I'm not saying all 4 of these players need to be traded. I'm saying a trade would have to involve some of these 4 players. Not all of them.

Quote: Originally Posted by areobee401

Jerebko and Johnson have team options for the upcoming season. The thinking is Boston will pick up both. By doing so the team will take on a $17 million cap hit. Why many expect this to happen is because those dollar amounts will be needed if a trade is made. If Boston were to trade for an established player, the team they trade with will need to make up the dollar amount sent to Boston. Johnson or Jerenko will help that team meet the cap floor. So if a trade happens expect one of the two to be involved. All the C's younger players make peanuts compared to them.

Agree 100%. There's one player though I say the C's wouldn't take off the table. I'd say Sullinger with a RFA contract could also be used as trade bait for a low post semi-star like player in like Noah or even better in Whiteside. Isiah Thomas in my opinion is really the only player that should be considered near 100% safe as for staying in Boston. All other players are tradeable if you ask me.

That's just how I think Ainge is thinking. Ainge don't care to pull the trigger. I'm not even placing a 100% safe tag on Thomas. Notice above I said near 100% safe about him. I would be heartbroken if Ainge was to come up with some type of trade that would get rid of Thomas.

I don't care who we would get in return either. Thomas is my favorite Celtic players now. Used to be Bradley until Thomas was traded to Boston. I just hope he's completely off the table in regards to trades. Thomas is already a star in this league & on the verge of becoming a superstar. Let him become that superstar in Boston Danny.

[tonybologna]

Celtics News(6-15-16): http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celti...st-the-celtics

http://www.celticsblog.com/2016/6/15...come-to-boston (I'd pass on him!)

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/06/1...-in-1st-round/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...every-position

http://www.nba.com/celtics/draft/pro...ejounte-murray

[areobee401]

I have begun to accept the fact we will be selecting a player with the 3rd pick. The pick doesn't seem to have the value we had all anticipated it having in the months leading up to the draft. I would be very surprised if it is used to trade for a player. Possible trades are fun to talk about, but I don't see one happening.