The 2012 New York Knicks: The Filler Year?

[ehh]

Lockout's over, time for the new thread.

Not much will happen in terms of personnel changes as we have zero assets to use in a tade and will be waiting patiently with our cap space for next summer with our eyes on CP3. Jerome Jordan may be the only "new" person of interest besides Iman & Jorts, Hahn reported that he'll demand a trade if he isn't on the NBA roster to start the season. Don't know how warranted that demand is.

Amare and Billups seem to be healthy.
First full year Amare & Melo will play together.
How fast and how hot does Pringles seat become? Does he make it through the year?
What will Iman give us? Don't forget the collective NBA fan base laughed at us for picking him.

We're still a year away from that third "elite" piece and hopefully being a contender thus the "filler year" title. Hopefully Melo & STAT can develop their chemistry, Iman can prove he's a rotational player and we learn exactly what Landry Fields is. Besides that I'm probably expecting another 5-7 seed (depending on what other teams do in FA/amnesty).


Let's go Knicks!!!

[bigfnjoe96]

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I expect the Knicks to make a couple of Vet minimum offers. Also since we are over the CAP, I believe a MLE is available to us.

This part is tricky because if 2012 is what we think is best, then signing someone to a MLE blow's those plans out-of-the-water. Personally I would rather build with what we have & try to sign DeAndre Jordan to that MLE. Move STAT back to PF for this season & go from there.

Though I would love CP3, there seems to be too much sacrificing having to be made in order to make that happen. For both the Knicks & CP3

[Porschebenz2001]

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Really looking forward to this season.

Just read something about Dalembert. That'd be nice.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I expect the Knicks to make a couple of Vet minimum offers. Also since we are over the CAP, I believe a MLE is available to us.

This part is tricky because if 2012 is what we think is best, then signing someone to a MLE blow's those plans out-of-the-water. Personally I would rather build with what we have & try to sign DeAndre Jordan to that MLE. Move STAT back to PF for this season & go from there.

Though I would love CP3, there seems to be too much sacrificing having to be made in order to make that happen. For both the Knicks & CP3

He'd be matched in a heartbeat by LAC.

Really looking forward to this season.

Just read something about Dalembert. That'd be nice.

He's not taking a 1-year deal.

I don't really care too much about this season. I just want the following and I'll be a happy camper:

1. Don't waste 2012 money signing someone to a long-term deal.
2. Hope Jerome Jordan can give us what he's given overseas.
3. Hope Iman Shumpert shows the PG IQ to be able to hand him the keys if we happen to lose out on one of the elite PGs.
4. No injuries, no injuries, no injuries.

[Hassan Darkside]

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Honestly, I have mixed feelings about going after CP3 and putting our team through the same thing we did to get Melo. It'll be hard for us to just sign him outright because he'll have to take such a pay cut and we'd still have to dump our entire roster to do that.

Or we can try another extend and trade but that'd definitely clear whats left of our roster and whatever picks we could still trade. And then it'd take us another two seasons to round out our roster again.

I'd rather find a reasonable, budget PG and C and try to build a team with what we have.

[ehh]

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I used to be split between camps of "Get CP3" or "spend the cap space on a center and a 4th good piece".

I'm not anymore, I want CP3. If we get him then we are in a very similar situation financially to Miami. We have our three stars, can get a decent player using the MLE and then have to fill in the contracts. If it weren't for LeBron being a child mentally then Miami steamrolls Dallas last June. We can get the pieces we need via MLE and miminum contracts to contend in the East and do so for five years baring injuries.

Amare/CP3 in the pick-n-roll game makes my mouth water. Melo's integration into the offense will be less than smooth but it'll work out. Defense will be a question of course.

[bigeastbumrush]

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Agh. CP3. Why did he make that toast!?!

Anyways...I'm riding with this young fella (until he airballs his first 3 ).

Chip on my shoulder

Shumpert vs. Derozan

[bigeastbumrush]

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A bulked up Landry Fields (also heard that Toney Douglas bulked up after offseason shoulder surgery):

[ehh]

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I can't stand the sight of Isola.

[DiceMan]

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Here's to hoping Landry doesn't disappear again this year. I also wonder if Iman will see time @ the 2 this year?

[Vast]

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Here's to hoping Landry doesn't disappear again this year. I also wonder if Iman will see time @ the 2 this year?

I wonder if Melo had anything to do with Landry disappearing.

[Hassan Darkside]

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I wonder if Melo had anything to do with Landry dissapearing.

He did. The dynamic of the offense changed when Felton was traded. A lot less pick and roll and a LOT less ball movement. He didn't get the same open looks and didn't get into the flow of it all.

My beef with trading for Chris Paul is not only does it gut our roster, but it makes this season a wash and probably next season as well. If we don't acquire him prior to free agency, we won't have a legitimate chance to build our roster like the Heat did, and we all saw the lack of depth the ultimately ended up with.

That leaves us with spending the next off season trying to add depth. I don't know what our draft pick situation would look like, but we probably wouldn't have any. So I could see it taking us until the third season to be a legitimate contender. By then Amar'e will be 31. Something else that scares me is I read that he's due at least one more knee surgery.

I'm also kinda scared about CP3's knee in the future. Last thing I want is 2/3 of our big three on crutches for the latter part of their career.

I wouldn't mind getting CP3, he's easily the best PG in years, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if we missed out on him. I like our young guys for the most part and I think we could be a serious contender with just a real center and a solid point.

[DiceMan]

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Oh no doubt it's obvious once Melo got to town Landry was hurt hurt the most. My hope is that he worked on his game during the lockout and can find other ways to get involved in the offense.

[NYJets]

He did. The dynamic of the offense changed when Felton was traded. A lot less pick and roll and a LOT less ball movement. He didn't get the same open looks and didn't get into the flow of it all.

My beef with trading for Chris Paul is not only does it gut our roster, but it makes this season a wash and probably next season as well. If we don't acquire him prior to free agency, we won't have a legitimate chance to build our roster like the Heat did, and we all saw the lack of depth the ultimately ended up with.

That leaves us with spending the next off season trying to add depth. I don't know what our draft pick situation would look like, but we probably wouldn't have any. So I could see it taking us until the third season to be a legitimate contender. By then Amar'e will be 31. Something else that scares me is I read that he's due at least one more knee surgery.

I'm also kinda scared about CP3's knee in the future. Last thing I want is 2/3 of our big three on crutches for the latter part of their career.

I wouldn't mind getting CP3, he's easily the best PG in years, but I wouldn't lose any sleep if we missed out on him. I like our young guys for the most part and I think we could be a serious contender with just a real center and a solid point.

I'm split because while I agree with all of that, with how overpaid centers are I don't know if we can get a center and a solid pg for the money we would have paid Paul. If you get Paul than at least maybe you can attract a big to come play for the mid level or maybe you can get by at center with a few role players if the rest of the team is so strong. Nba free agency it's just so tough to sign supporting players to fair deals they almost always get overpaid, and we probably aren't going to get much from the draft unless we get lucky.


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[Hassan Darkside]

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I'm split because while I agree with all of that, with how overpaid centers are I don't know if we can get a center and a solid pg for the money we would have paid Paul. If you get Paul than at least maybe you can attract a big to come play for the mid level or maybe you can get by at center with a few role players if the rest of the team is so strong. Nba free agency it's just so tough to sign supporting players to fair deals they almost always get overpaid, and we probably aren't going to get much from the draft unless we get lucky.


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The thing is, though, if we get Paul, we won't be able to use our MLE on just a center. As you said, they're way overpaid so you could almost guarantee they're going to want the full MLE. We'd have to worry about building depth and hope we can split it among a couple good role players, and likely be stuck without a center regardless.

I'd LIKE to give a guy like Sean Williams a chance. Big, athletic, blocks shots. The only way I see us finding a serviceable center is taking a risk on one, much like we did with Shawne Williams.