Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

[BadAssHskr]

Was starting my 4th season this morning, and since i had the time i did things a bit different.

Prior to the season started, while i was arranging my depth chart i decided to go ahead and hit my obvious Redshirt players.

I advanced to the next week which was to populate my recruiting board, and when looking at team needs it said i needed 2 QBs.

Unless im mistaken, i have roughly 5 or 6 qbs on the roster.

Just curious if it is 100% certain that I need 2 QBs or if the game isn’t taking into consideration the QBs i already have redshirted?

This wasnt my only position like this. So kind of across the board it says i need to fill roster spots, but im pretty certain at some positions i habe more than enough players filling the spots.

Just trying to be certain i know whats going on with roster spots before i get to involved with recruiting, and wind up going after guys i may not actually need.

[illwill10]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I think CPU takes into consideration what your scheme is. Each scheme has a preferred amount of players for each position. But, I do think us as users need to have an idea of how many players you need. I have ran into an issue where I ran into in my 7th season(first with a new school), I over recruited based on team needs and me wanting to bring in my old guys. So, I have to cut 20 players and it limits how many players you can cut at a position. I'm not comfortable cutting a high 70s-low 80s player. I rather cut a FR I just recruited

[jello1717]

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In my experience the “needs” are pretty FUBAR and I ignore them completely and just use my own personal needs. I.e. I always try to have:
4 QB, 5 HB, 2 FB, 8 WR, 4 TE, 7 OT, 7 G, 4 C, 7 DE, 6 DT, 7 OLB, 4 MLB, 8 CB, 4 FS, 4 SS.

Even if the game says I “need” 6 QBs, and I “only” have 4, I’ve never been forced to take a walk on QB.

[SilverBullet19]

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I believe the “needs” are entirely incorrect as well. I have 17 seniors but somehow over 30 “needs”

Perhaps it’s considering where improvements can be made, but you absolutely have to evaluate your own roster to decide what spots to fill and not rely on the CPU

[piffbernd]

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I think u need 3 qb in ur depth Chart. U can Play with true freshman for 4 or 5 Games an then redshirt them. I would recruit 18- 20 Players every year. More u dont need.

[illwill10]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I have 10 WRs on my roster.i have 1 SR and maybe 1-2 JRs. I have 4 FR WRs that I redshirted. It still said I need a WR lol




You just got to go by feel. I have 4 QBs on my roster and I redshirted 2 of them i don't run many options and if I scramble, it's either out of bounds or sliding. I have a set amount of required depth for each position. Unless it's a recruit I can't pass up, I don't go over

[PPerfect_CJ]

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I believe the “needs” are entirely incorrect as well. I have 17 seniors but somehow over 30 “needs”

Perhaps it’s considering where improvements can be made, but you absolutely have to evaluate your own roster to decide what spots to fill and not rely on the CPU

I think this is true, because if I'm remebering correctly, it has the position grades listed on that page, too.

[Jagsfan24]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

At first I followed the team needs stuff, but then realized I over recruited and had too many players at each position. So now I just ignore it and recruit what I KNOW I need help with

[sherrane]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I think CPU takes into consideration what your scheme is. Each scheme has a preferred amount of players for each position. But, I do think us as users need to have an idea of how many players you need. I have ran into an issue where I ran into in my 7th season(first with a new school), I over recruited based on team needs and me wanting to bring in my old guys. So, I have to cut 20 players and it limits how many players you can cut at a position. I'm not comfortable cutting a high 70s-low 80s player. I rather cut a FR I just recruited

That is not currently legal IRL although it might be if the NCAA does away with the National Letter of Intent (NLI). When a player signs an NLI (which the school offered and he committed to), it is a 1-year binding agreement. You are legally obligated to offer the athletic scholarship for two semesters.

[gutsdabeast]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I'm having an issue where redshirt players are playing during mass subs. I'm not mass subbing starters out. But if the game is out of hand it will do it automatically. And there's no warning. When this happens, players that should be redshirted come into the game, burning their eligibility.

I can't reorder the depth chart beyond the available slots to prevent this. Is there a workaround? Aside from constantly checking the menu to see if the starters have been subbed out?

This is really annoying because you lose a redshirt game for one play. And most of the time it is a kickoff. I don't know how to remove the auto mass sub option.

[sherrane]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I'm having an issue where redshirt players are playing during mass subs. I'm not mass subbing starters out. But if the game is out of hand it will do it automatically. And there's no warning. When this happens, players that should be redshirted come into the game, burning their eligibility.

I can't reorder the depth chart beyond the available slots to prevent this. Is there a workaround? Aside from constantly checking the menu to see if the starters have been subbed out?

This is really annoying because you lose a redshirt game for one play. And most of the time it is a kickoff. I don't know how to remove the auto mass sub option.

Mass subs is not implemented correctly. It was not in the initial release and it is fairly clear why it wasn't. Not only does it put redshirts on the game's depth chart, but it doesn't substitute specialists (they may have fixed this recently), such as Power RB.



You won't burn a redshirt for "one play". A player can play up to 4 games each season while maintaining their redshirt. That part is implemented correctly in the game. What EA didn't implement is that post season games played are not counted (could also be fixed in a recent patch). For example, if one of the playoff teams are redshirting a player who has played in 3 games and they suffer an injury in this weekend's conference championship game, that player can play in the conference championship game and all the playoff games and still have 3 Games Played and his redshirt intact. I believe the NCAA clarified the rule after the initial release of the game and EA did not implement the post-season rule.


There is a Games Played column on the Redshirt Player list that will show how many games you can play a player while maintaining his redshirt. Also, the Games Played does not increment until the player plays in the game, so his presence on the depth chart does not initially matter. The computer typically mass subs at the beginning of the quarter (3rd or 4th). This gives you a chance to manage your redshirts. I will put a starter in the last depth chart position if I need to in order to maintain a player's redshirt. If you are redshirting 2 DTs and one goes in during mass subs, you can swap him for the other redshirt before he gets on the field to help maintain his redshirt status. You will have to manage this, but it is doable.

[gutsdabeast]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

Mass subs is not implemented correctly. It was not in the initial release and it is fairly clear why it wasn't. Not only does it put redshirts on the game's depth chart, but it doesn't substitute specialists (they may have fixed this recently), such as Power RB.



You won't burn a redshirt for "one play". A player can play up to 4 games each season while maintaining their redshirt. That part is implemented correctly in the game. What EA didn't implement is that post season games played are not counted (could also be fixed in a recent patch). For example, if one of the playoff teams are redshirting a player who has played in 3 games and they suffer an injury in this weekend's conference championship game, that player can play in the conference championship game and all the playoff games and still have 3 Games Played and his redshirt intact. I believe the NCAA clarified the rule after the initial release of the game and EA did not implement the post-season rule.


There is a Games Played column on the Redshirt Player list that will show how many games you can play a player while maintaining his redshirt. Also, the Games Played does not increment until the player plays in the game, so his presence on the depth chart does not initially matter. The computer typically mass subs at the beginning of the quarter (3rd or 4th). This gives you a chance to manage your redshirts. I will put a starter in the last depth chart position if I need to in order to maintain a player's redshirt. If you are redshirting 2 DTs and one goes in during mass subs, you can swap him for the other redshirt before he gets on the field to help maintain his redshirt status. You will have to manage this, but it is doable.

I understand the 4 game rule. The issue is that the cpu brings in players that are selected for red shirt into the game during mass subs. It's annoying if the game gets out of hand that I have to check my depth chart to make sure a mass sub hasn't happened. And I have to to substitute manually for the same affect.

I typically play red shirts later in the season to get them playing time. Only to find out they've already been in 3 games or more because I wasn't paying attention during a kickoff & they played for 1 down. Thus losing 1 games worth of eligibility on a meaningless kickoff.

I shouldn't have to check option menus between quarters or after touchdowns to confirm my game hasn't auto mass subbed for me.

[JMDurron]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I'm having an issue where redshirt players are playing during mass subs. I'm not mass subbing starters out. But if the game is out of hand it will do it automatically. And there's no warning. When this happens, players that should be redshirted come into the game, burning their eligibility.

I can't reorder the depth chart beyond the available slots to prevent this. Is there a workaround? Aside from constantly checking the menu to see if the starters have been subbed out?

This is really annoying because you lose a redshirt game for one play. And most of the time it is a kickoff. I don't know how to remove the auto mass sub option.

I’ve only noticed two times when the CPU will mass sub for you - at halftime or the start of the 4th Q, depending on how large your lead is. If it tries at halftime, I’ve noticed it doesn’t seem to try it again at the 4th Q. It appears to be either/or, so once you catch it for that game it shouldn’t happen again.

My workaround - I go to coaching -> mass sub starters at halftime (and 4th Q if needed). Whenever I see it says “starters” instead of “backups”, I know that the CPU did it to me again. I select “mass sub starters” that to mass sub my starters back in. I then manually sub in backups as appropriate.


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[gutsdabeast]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I’ve only noticed two times when the CPU will mass sub for you - at halftime or the start of the 4th Q, depending on how large your lead is. If it tries at halftime, I’ve noticed it doesn’t seem to try it again at the 4th Q. It appears to be either/or, so once you catch it for that game it shouldn’t happen again.

My workaround - I go to coaching -> mass sub starters at halftime (and 4th Q if needed). Whenever I see it says “starters” instead of “backups”, I know that the CPU did it to me again. I select “mass sub starters” that to mass sub my starters back in. I then manually sub in backups as appropriate.


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I've done some trials, & you are correct. They will auto mass sub either the start of the 3rd quarter or 4th quarter. Depending on your lead. You just have to check those times to mass sub starters to avoid this issue.

It still sucks that you can't use mass subs without red shirts entering the game. Thank you.

[Sweed]

Re: Question on Redshirts and Team Needs

I’ve only noticed two times when the CPU will mass sub for you - at halftime or the start of the 4th Q, depending on how large your lead is. If it tries at halftime, I’ve noticed it doesn’t seem to try it again at the 4th Q. It appears to be either/or, so once you catch it for that game it shouldn’t happen again.

My workaround - I go to coaching -> mass sub starters at halftime (and 4th Q if needed). Whenever I see it says “starters” instead of “backups”, I know that the CPU did it to me again. I select “mass sub starters” that to mass sub my starters back in. I then manually sub in backups as appropriate.


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Good information, I wasn't aware. Thanks.