Top 5 Pitchers of all time

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mine are

1.Sandy Koufax
2.Walter Johnson
3.Bob Feller
4.Bob Gibson
5.Warren Spahn

That i have seen
1.Greg Maddux
2.Randy Johnson
3.Roger Clemens
4.Pedro Martinez
5.Roy Halladay

[Perceptor]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

The top 5 I've seen:

1. Greg Maddux
2. Pedro Martinez
3. Randy Johnson
4. Curt Schiling
5. John Smoltz

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Top Five I've Seen:
1. Pedro Martinez
2. Randy Johnson
3.Ron Guidry (that '78 season was absolutely dominant)
4. Roger Clemens
5. Greg Maddux

Top Five All Time
1. Pedro Martinez (his prime was Sandy Koufax-like but during the steroid era, absolutely phenomenal talent)
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Walter Johnson
4. Randy Johnson
5. Roger Clemens

I graded the top five I've seen as how I remember them (Ron Guidry for 1978) which is why he is not on my all time list.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Top 5 I've seen:

1. Greg Maddux
2. Pedro Martinez
3. Randy Johnson
4. Roger Clemens
5. John Smoltz

[JBH3]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Why does Steve Carlton constantly get overlooked in these types of lists?

The man one more games than any lefty in the history of the game, is a 300 game winner, 4,000 strikeout pitcher, and a career 3.22 ERA and 1.24 WHIP.

Both Pedro and Carlton won pitching triple crowns, Carlton's numbers far surpass Pedro's, and Pedro is DieHardYankee's #1 pitcher of all-time? I don't see any merit in that.

[JBH3]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

There's just been sooo many good pitchers...these guys are HOFers and no one has mentioned them yet.

Tom Seaver
Jim Palmer
Phil Niekro
Don Sutton
Fergie Jenkins

[Melanconfan]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Both Pedro and Carlton won pitching triple crowns, Carlton's numbers far surpass Pedro's, and Pedro is DieHardYankee's #1 pitcher of all-time? I don't see any merit in that.

I do. It depends on how you interpret the question. Pedro at his peak was probably the most ridiculously dominant pitcher of all time.

[Sportsforever]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

I do. It depends on how you interpret the question. Pedro at his peak was probably the most ridiculously dominant pitcher of all time.

This is always important to clarify when having these discussions. Are we talking about which pitcher you'd rather have at his peak, or are you talking about which pitcher you'd rather have for their career? If you are asking the first one, Pedro and Sandy are near the top of the list. If you are asking the second one, not so much.

[Speedy]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Poopy, I believe you have the OS record most GOAT threads.

[Tomahawk]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Why does Steve Carlton constantly get overlooked in these types of lists?

The man one more games than any lefty in the history of the game, is a 300 game winner, 4,000 strikeout pitcher, and a career 3.22 ERA and 1.24 WHIP.

Both Pedro and Carlton won pitching triple crowns, Carlton's numbers far surpass Pedro's, and Pedro is DieHardYankee's #1 pitcher of all-time? I don't see any merit in that.

Warren Spahn just wanted to let you know that he was a lefty and that 363 is greater than 329.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...W_career.shtml

[JBH3]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Warren Spahn just wanted to let you know that he was a lefty and that 363 is greater than 329.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...W_career.shtml

I thought I remembered hearing he had the most, maybe I got Spahn and Carlton confused. Thanks for holding me accountable + your other contributions to the thread.

[DieHardYankee26]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Both Pedro and Carlton won pitching triple crowns, Carlton's numbers far surpass Pedro's, and Pedro is DieHardYankee's #1 pitcher of all-time? I don't see any merit in that.

Career ERA
Pedro - 2.93 (in the greatest offensive era of all time)
Carton - 3.22

Career ERA +
Pedro -154
Carlton - 115

Career K/9
Pedro - 10.0
Carlton - 7.1

Career H/9
Pedro - 7.1
Carlton -8.1

Career WHIP
Pedro - 1.054
Carlton - 1.247

K/BB Ratio
Pedro - 4.15
Carlton - 2.26

Not to mention, that Pedro had the single most dominating season in the history of pitching in 2000, and another top 5 season in 1999. So laugh at that.

[Tomahawk]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

I thought I remembered hearing he had the most, maybe I got Spahn and Carlton confused. Thanks for holding me accountable + your other contributions to the thread.

No problem and thanks for ranting about Carlton while not knowing your stuff.

Also, there is a reason no one mentioned Don Sutton and Phil Niekro besides you for a list of Top 5 pitchers of all-time. Both of them were HOF pitchers, but their careers stats are more the result of being very good for a long period than ever being a dominant starter. I doubt anyone would ever seriously rank Sutton or Niekro or Fergie Jenkins in the Top 15-20 starters of all-time let alone the top 5.

Based equally on career numbers and dominance, but entirely off the top of my head and in no particular order.....

Top 5 starters before 1969 - The years when the mound was higher, before the balls and the players were juiced, when the ballparks were bigger, when starters tried to pitch complete games, before most of the expansion happened, and most of them I never saw pitch a game in my life.

Walter Johnson
Bob Gibson
Bob Feller
Sandy Koufax
Warren Spahn


Top 6 starters since 1969 - Guys who played in the steroid era, juiced ball era, smaller new ballpark era, during most of the expansion and interleague era, and the days of the designated hitter, the closer, and the setup man.

Greg Maddux
Randy Johnson
Steve Carlton
Tom Seaver
Nolan Ryan
Pedro Martinez

Best pitcher who will probably never see Cooperstown without buying a ticket due to his reported involvement with steroids.

Roger Clemens

[Marino]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Top 5 I've Seen:

Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Roy Halladay
Randy Johnson
Tom Glavine

[dalnet22]

Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time

Best 5 I've seen:

1. Pedro Martinez
2. Randy Johnson
3. Greg Maddux
4. Stephen Strasburg
5. Roy Halladay

All Time
1. Pedro Martinez
2. Cy Young
3. Walter Johnson
4. Sandy Koufax
5. Mike Marshall