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Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

Out of curiosity, are you using Jim Harbaugh? Because he has to throw the prettiest interceptions I've seen in this game - and I only say that half jokingly. They really are some pretty interceptions; I've felt like saving a few as replays. I haven't played w/all QBs in APF, but I know Dan Marino can throw w/accuracy while moving (edit - just saw Nova making the same point). I've also seen Montana do it (CPU against me). Just saying I don't think all QBs are inaccurate when moving; I think they did a pretty good job capturing that in the game. If you look at the posts in the Madden impressions, it's interesting to see how desperately people are trying to get the game to work. If APF had the turnover issue that Madden apparently does, it'd be dead on arrival. Or the QB issues. Or the psychic DB issue. Or the LBs leaping 10ft issue. Etc., etc., etc. Someone else made the point that you don't see many slider threads on APF, but they popped up like weeds on Madden's 1st day. It's really more about the NFL license than about Madden the game - I think that's obvious. It's unfortunate things aren't on a more level playing field

To your point Spank. In the days leading up to madden's release, I saw just about all sports networks and pre-season game carriers pumping up the game. On espn's around the horn they had the madden holiday thing, in the game on nbc (I forget the teams) they talked about the release. And on various other espn and sports outlets madden is pushed.

It does not matter how good or bad the game is anymore, they have partnered with the nfl and that is all that matters. It is the only nfl game in town. Like you have been saying from day one, the risk that 2k took was great, it was an uphill climb. Others were saying that APF would sell 500,00-700,000 etc...I knew that the hold the nfl has on the consuming public is great. Not to mention the fact that people actually, whether consciuosly or subconsciously go out of their to not like 2k or not even try it. What a shame.

I told BK that there was no way madden 08's gameplay was better than APF, I still stand by that. This game is very good, but it looks like it will suffer the fate of 2k5, will only be appreciated after it's death. I just hope 2k goes all out next year and makes APF09 fully customizable etc...I hope they don't give up the fight. They make excellent football games.