Madden 09: Tackling Engine Blog & Video

[grunt]

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Why does it not surprise me that 10ths of a second increase in speed, and some new animations (for one-on-one tackles only) on this out of date game engine get hyped and praised like the second coming?
In any other game this wouldnt even get mentioned.

I agree, EA is the masters of lowering expectations.

[DaveDQ]

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Ragdoll physics makes characters go limp. It was initially created to simulate death animations. NaturalMotion gives characters behaviors that cause the characters to act intelligently, looking out for themselves. For example, in a football game, a ball carrier with ragdoll physics, when tackled, will go limp, or if he's supposed to break the tackle, a pre-canned break-tackle animation will play. With NaturalMotion, depending on the angle and force behind the tackle, the ball carrier will react accordingly WITHOUT ANY pre-canned animation. I'm not too good at explaining this, but trust me, there's a HUGE difference between ragdoll and NaturalMotion. Maybe someone else can help me out...

That's what's supposed to happen, but that is not what is happening with Backbreaker. In their latest video, while it is impressive, there are several instances of defenders no responding "naturally." Also, bodies are distorted far too much in tackles. I think it's a great sign of where things can be, but I'd question if the total package is going to be all that impressive. The Natural Motion/Euphoria way of physics is excessive ragdoll like movement. I think GTA is proof of that. That's not said to be negative because I think it's better than what we've seen so far. I just don't think it's the digital gold many are claiming.

[Vadiplomat04]

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I like how people are already judgeing this game based off of one video....LOL. If you want to know what this engine looks like in action, watch the NCAA videos that OS took at the EA event. Thats more of what you'll see in Madden, then the video posted on the blog.

PS. there are gang tackles in this video, but they happen so fast in the trailer you don't see it. Watch some of the video frame by frame and you'll notice so of the little stuff that you can't see when playing it at regular speed. ***There is a gang tackle by Ray Lewis and Suggs that looks very real....but it happends really fast...somebody look for it in the trailer.

[roadman]

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Why does it not surprise me that 10ths of a second increase in speed, and some new animations (for one-on-one tackles only) on this out of date game engine get hyped and praised like the second coming?
In any other game this wouldnt even get mentioned.

There will be people that praise it, and people who don't praise it and say , same ole same ole.

It is what it is.

There is still three months left to release and people are praising or nit picking on the candy that EA is throwing out.

The game is probably already finished except for the bug fixes and tune ups. There isn't much more EA can add for this version.

[SidVish]

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LOL identity crisis. Although I'd take a different spin. They do know what they want the game to be. But what they want it to be is damn near impossible for it to be. They want it to be everything for everybody. They want it to be sim, casual sim, arcade ect. This eclecticism shows in the quality of the game.

Truth. EA wants to cater to EVERYBODY but it just isn't feasible. We the super sim gamers just get the short end of the stick and that's just the way it is.

[BrianFifaFan]

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I like how people are already judgeing this game based off of one video....LOL. If you want to know what this engine looks like in action, watch the NCAA videos that OS took at the EA event. Thats more of what you'll see in Madden, then the video posted on the blog.

PS. there are gang tackles in this video, but they happen so fast in the trailer you don't see it. Watch some of the video frame by frame and you'll notice so of the little stuff that you can't see when playing it at regular speed. ***There is a gang tackle by Ray Lewis and Suggs that looks very real....but it happends really fast...somebody look for it in the trailer.

Not two man tackles. Multi-player (3 or more) converging tackles, resulting in a pile. This is what EA has been able to accomplish so far. We know they can do two. But then everyone else has to wait for that animation to clear. We're talking about the third man joining in and so forth and so on....

[BrianFifaFan]

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There will be people that praise it, and people who don't praise it and say , same ole same ole.

It is what it is.

There is still three months left to release and people are praising or nit picking on the candy that EA is throwing out.

The game is probably already finished except for the bug fixes and tune ups. There isn't much more EA can add for this version.

Why do you have to do that? Every thread you have to try to derail legit conversation because you like the game and are offended? I'm not trying to pick a flamewar, but dang man......We get it you like it.....Heck even Countryboy and ODogg get into constructive conversations....

[FlyingFinn]

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Not two man tackles. Multi-player (3 or more) converging tackles, resulting in a pile. This is what EA has been able to accomplish so far. We know they can do two. But then everyone else has to wait for that animation to clear. We're talking about the third man joining in and so forth and so on....

The occurances of 2 man tackles are rare at best. Most every scenario in madden comes down to 1 on 1 play.

[Vadiplomat04]

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Not two man tackles. Multi-player (3 or more) converging tackles, resulting in a pile. This is what EA has been able to accomplish so far. We know they can do two. But then everyone else has to wait for that animation to clear. We're talking about the third man joining in and so forth and so on....

I have seen 3 man interaction and one 4 man interaction in the NCAA OS videos

[Jistic]

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I agreed with everything you say. They had a similar blog video from last year which was edited to show some "great" tackles and animation.

What's funny is last year I was really convinced things were changing. IF you dug up those old posts from those producer blogs last year, you'd see me in them getting giddy and saying that EA finally "gets it". I was so excited....

...then I played the game. Everything that EA allows to be seen is marketing. Remember that.

We'll see come August, but these producer blogs, to me, don't mean a dam thing after last year.

[nxt]

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1 thing's for sure, we've come a long way from Madden 06 on next gen.
That's why I think EA/Tiburon is so proud of the game this year. Look how far its come. The only thing is that they started off so badly. Had they started with a solid foundation, who knows how far this series would be now.

I agree with you that Madden's come a long way since 06, and I'm already resigned to the fact that we are not going to see Madden make any major changes to the current/last gen gameplay engine being used. The reality is, if they ever decide to make such a change, it probably won't be until the next gen.

Someone on these forums mentioned a 2-3 year plan for purchasing Madden/NCAA, etc. and I'm starting to think that that's a great idea. Heck, I'm still playing NCAA '06 on PS2 because, so far I haven't been happy with any of the football games released on 360/PS3.

To me, that video was just another hype video to show off some of the new tackles, etc. I did see more wrap-up type tackles, but it came from an edited video, so I'll take that with a grain of salt because that still could be the exception, and not the norm. All that being said, the game is looking better than ever, relatively speaking.

[BrianFifaFan]

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I have seen 3 man interaction and one 4 man interaction in the NCAA OS videos

I'm gonna go back and watch. You better not be pulling my leg! LOL.....

[FlyingFinn]

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I'm gonna go back and watch. You better not be pulling my leg! LOL.....

Yeah the 3rd/4th guy tackling after the 1st/2cnd guy falls off or the 3rd /4th guy blowing up like they stepped on a land mine doesn't count.

[BrianFifaFan]

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Yeah the 3rd/4th guy tackling after the 1st/2cnd guy falls off or the 3rd /4th guy blowing up like they stepped on a land mine doesn't count.

I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.....I feel you. I guess my definition of a "gang tackle" is lost here. Or too "hardcore." I just need to stop being so anal retentive and learn to think and speak "Maddenese." LOL.....

[Vadiplomat04]

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I think what we have here is a failure to communicate.....I feel you. I guess my definition of a "gang tackle" is lost here. Or too "hardcore." I just need to stop being so anal retentive and learn to think and speak "Maddenese." LOL.....

I think your definition of 3 man or 4 man gang tackle is that the 3 or 4 defenders tackle the same person...my definition is 2 people could tackle a player then get knocked off by the third defender when he engages into the tackle. I don't know thats just me