NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

[stewaat]

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Great post callmetaternuts.

Now I'll say that if the zones actually worked and all that good stuff the extra seconds before the CPU snapped would not be needed. Personally I need a few more seconds because I need to position guys so they don't get burnt all the time.

RealCanesFan
To talk about "skillz" is ridiculous. Nobody is denying the fact that this year has "Wide Open Gameplay" but to say there is no problem getting pressure is ridiculous. Sacks happen but they are usually plays where the CPU QB does something stupid and runs into a sack. 95% of the time he will fire a short pass on the money before any pressure is applied.

It is without a doubt a problem. It is not a game killer it is just annoying. Please take your immature statements elsewhere.

[callmetaternuts]

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I agree with you..Fortunately I saw the writing on the wall from prior statements regarding gameplay by EA reps. They actually don't see a problem with this or it's actually not enough of a detriment to warrant a gameplay patch..And if they don't see a problem we are out of luck. They will stick to the wide open gameplay mantra this year and that's all there is to it. Any unbiased and objective person can see the deliberate speed cheats and lack of pass rush in the game..as well as the superhuman phsycic quarterback ..EA banks on people who want a casual arcade like experience and I can't fault them it makes them a ton of money..Madden will be out in 2 weeks and NCAA will be a memory for alot of gamers. So the heat will be off of OMT and the NCAA team.They know that ..they will make minor adjustments with the second patch and since it becomes less of a priority it will be out in maybe October...I rented and will wait until it's at a bargain used price like I do every year. I have gamefly so it really doesn't matter to me. The EA reps are here for spinning purposes and sales ..they do a good job of it as people fall into the trap every year... AA just enjoy the game as is the fix you as well as a buch of folks are looking for aint going to happen!!!!

I dont necessarily buy that. I dont think Adam and EA are here to spin anything. Why try to spin it when they couldve just stayed away? You look at the community days for NCAA and Madden and thnks get fixed as a result of the community. Is the game perfect? No, but i dont think Adam is hear blowing smoke. The online dynasty an roster stuff got fixed pretty fast. Should it have been broken at all? Hell No, but it was, and they fixed it.

Adam has intimated that they are attempting to get the patch out sooner, October wasnt mentioned (and nothing was promised as far as a date goes, think i can stress taht anymore?)

I do agree that this game hits the casual market more than the sim market, and it may have been designed that way, but i think they are attempting to address the issues. I guess we will see what happens when the final patch is announced with what it will fix. If its just fixing minor issues like a misspelled word, then we see it for what it is, but if they come through, and hit these areas weve identified, i thnk you give credit where its due.

Plus, you gotta remember, Adam isnt the sole designed on this game, he doesnt call all the shots, he's been gracious enough to put up with our BS and answer questions and be straight with us. not once has he blown smoke or just said something bc its what we want to hear, its been quite the opposite most the time.

[DrUrsus]

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Your avatar has somehow, after 20 seconds of starring, forced me to reply again. There has got to be some voodoo going on here! Err... Oh yeah... do you think a slider fix will make your pass rush preference's work? Or is that not covered there? I'm not a slider lab guy myself.

Lol about the avatar. My wife caught me transfixed by it one day

[wookie48]

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Ok guys so here is one that just happened recently. Double overtime with vandy(me) vs the ole miss rebels. I have to go for two so I call a shotgun pass play so that my mobile qb has the option to run if need be. The minute the ball is snapped I look to the the LE, and he hasnt done anything all game, all the sudden when I snap the ball, no joke he warped to my QB and the game was over. Complete crap! This 2nd patch had better be good or I am gonna cry. Love the glitches in this game, its almost like I feel I should of paid extra for these funny little interludes!

[DrUrsus]

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I don't think gameplay is flawed (*puts on flame ******ant suit*). There are areas that need improvement, sure. But SO MUCH goes into game play it will make your head spin. Personally, I have always controlled a defensive lineman, 70% of the time a tackle, and I don't find much difference between 08 and 09. I get to the QB a couple times a game and that is what I would expect.

Please keep in mind that gameplay is a totally different team. We split that out into a specialized team a couple years ago. So I'm not an expert on this stuff. I think the problem is that the short passing stuff is always there. That is why they don't go deep, and that is why the QB rarely feels pressure. I mean... if the easy 5-7 yards is there, why not just take it unless it is 3rd down and you need more?

But as I said before.. I'm a feature guy, not an X and O guy. Variety is very important to making a game that sells right?

Some college QBs (and NFL) don't take the easy 5-7 yard "dump". They try to force long throws even though there may be an open man underneath. I would recommend in the future (pass this on to the gameplay guys) that they have a QB intelligence rating or several involving decision making about passing. This would allow the user to tweak this very important aspect of the game. Guys like Joe Montana and in recent years Peyton Manning learned to take what was given to them, but you still have guys like Rex Grossman that force things. He would be low on my QB intelligence (and by the way QB awareness never worked this way), and guys like Tom Brady (although it ills me to say it) and Peyton Manning would be high on the QB IQ. Just a thought that would tremendously help gameplay.

[ElroyJetson]

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k i cant download the patch when it comes out because im not connected to the internet with my ps3 , can some one please send me the patch via email at [email protected] ?? it would be greatly appericiated

[COMMISSIONERHBK9]

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question has anyone heard any status update on the patch?

[DrUrsus]

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Hey Auburn I am preparing myself for some frustration on this one. Its becoming clear that some of the gameplay fixes hoped for in "patch 2" are going to run smack dab into a brick wall of the EA corporate vision of "wide open gameplay" God, I hope I am wrong but the handwriting may be on the wall on this one based on what I am reading.

I just hope they fix the SLIDERS and RETURNS issues gameplay wise at the very least. I used to be in the videogame and computer business and trust me, looking into the sliders and fixing them could be done VERY EASILY. You know I'm right, OMT. If they are indeed broken then this should be addressed and it can be easily fixed unless someone really screwed up.

[nstod]

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I used to be in the videogame and computer business and trust me, looking into the sliders and fixing them could be done VERY EASILY.

Then you should also know that it could be very easy or very difficult. It depends on what level it is broken. It could be a fix to one class, or a fix to dozens of classes. It just depends on where the issue(s) are.

[davin]

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While I think the sliders working would help (and help a lot in regards to being able to fine tune the cpu without giving the human bonuses), I don't think that alone can fix the defense.

I used to be apart of the pass rush isn't a huge issue crowd, but the more I play, the more it has bugged me. I didn't sack the QB once as OSU against an FCS team. Not once. On one play my entire DL was on the ground. The CPU seems to have this amazing ability to put our DL on the ground. If this were real life I am pretty sure we'd see a discussion of how "dirty" the teams the cpu used were with the OL. I also want pressure when I do get it to have more of an effect. It takes a special QB to stand in the pocket with a DL charging at him to step into the throw into the middle of the field and take the hit. But these QBs for the most part not only can do that, but they become virtual Peyton Mannings. I'm not asking for the pass rush to dominate the game, but I want pressure to at least be attainable. If I am lucky enough to get sacks in some games, it is just because the CPU holds the ball too long on screens. It isn't just guys being upset that used to nano blitz, my playcalling patterns last year on defense might use one blitz sending 6 guys every 12 plays or so. Now my blitzes of 7 get stone walled by 5 OL. That is James Laurinaitis, Marcus Freeman, Ross Homan (two 90+, one 85+), Lawrence Wilson (90+), Cam Heyward (85+), Todd Denlinger (85+), Dexter Larrimore (85+) being stone walled by an FCS team on a consistant basis. For comparison, I watch my DL on run plays. My guys can get amazing penetration on a blitz or even without it. It is like on run plays, when the OL is trying to push my guys away, the DL gain ultra strength and can push through it.

The zones are another problem that really need to be looked into. Running zone is almost pointless because my guys are not going to react the way they should. Zone defenses are not set up to last for 8 seconds. No defense is really planned for that, except maybe prevent (which unless it is a hail mary isn't entirely effective). My guys play zone at maybe a high school level. They quite often drop back way past their assignment, and if they do stay in it, will refuse to recognize a guy coming across the screen into his zone. That is fine for a lower ranked guy, but the highly ranked guy should at least be aware of it.

Pursuit angles are also pretty bad. This isn't as high of priority to me, but it is still bad. It is amazing to watch the cpu players as you turn the corner. Most of the time, they have the angle, but abandon it. At the very least they should try to force you into a move. I wouldn't complain if it was the CPU just simply being overwhelmed by a Ted Ginn or Reggie Bush out there, but it is far more than that. Go run in open space where it looks like the CPU has the angle at first when you are using turbo, then watch as they give up their angle. Now stop using turbo, and they correct their angles. I have actually stopped myself from scoring just because I felt bad that my 89 speed running back was shredding FSU's defense on a big run because they forgot how to take angles on plays.

The game still is fun, more fun than last years. But the fun of being a great defensive team isn't there as much anymore. Now I am only bringing up the negative and not writing what I think the game does right, which is a much bigger list. I love the new running system and think that alone could lead to "wide open gameplay". Sliders could really help in some aspects like I said before such as the run game where I do not need a boost on my ratings but the cpu does. It is challenging for me NOT to have 1500 yards rushing on the year with my lead RB, but I need the sliders where they are or else the cpu run game dies.

[DrUrsus]

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Co-sign and a big old agreement with Auburn on this one. I think what some of us think slipped past the testers, might be a gross misunderstanding. The game plays like it does for a reason fellas, its becoming more obvious

The fact is that many people that work in the video game business just don't understand sports as well as the hard core sports fan or those of us who actually played the sport. I'm not sure how much input EA is getting from athletes or knowledgable people now, but it would certainly help if they are not.

[DrUrsus]

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Thanks Adam for that list. I don't think kickoff returns are that bad but punt returns are far too easy (on AA).

I DO think sliders could fix some of these issues even if not completely. The lack of a pass rush could be helped by exagerrating the sliders a little more. Its more of an issue on Heisman I think although my comments are mainly about offline play where I can use sliders.

If they fix the returns and sliders I would be in heaven. The one other big thing for me is to get the cpu to throw deep. That's more important to me than the pass rush issues.

rudyjuly, Don't you think that the kickoff return team always gets to far up the field, even for college football. I am hardly ever stopped anywhere near the 20 yard line. The CPU usually makes it to at least the 30 on me, and I usually make it to the 40. I would have to handicap myself (which I HATE to do in videogames, I hate house rules and such) and not use the sprint button at all and I still think I would make the 25 at least every time. The problem I see on AA and Heisman is that the blockers stonewall or knock down the defense. Do you see that (serious question) as well? What's everyone else seeing?

[BlackCats101]

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Compared to some of the other issues that need patching I am aware that this is of little real significance, and I apologise if it has already been raised, but I was wondering OMT if you are aware of some of the issues PS3 users have been experiencing with the custom stadium music, and whether there is any chance in the future that this may be patched.

I've posted what I think may cause the issues in the dedicated thread, but I'll post it here too for convenience:

<style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { size: 21cm 29.7cm; margin: 2cm } P { margin-bottom: 0.21cm } --> </style> 'I agree with the theory that the kickoff song file could corrupt the rest of the files. As soon as the away team scores in the game, from the following kickoff, the music from then on in doesn't play in the game.

I have been playing about again and I have had the most success with the songs playing when I...

1) start up console without USB stick in port
2) don't touch editing the NCAA sounds in game and then go and play a game. (ie make sure to turn off your console after editing the sounds and then turn it back on to play a game.)
3) make sure to use teams that you have NOT assigned a kickoff song to.'

[DrUrsus]

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Then you should also know that it could be very easy or very difficult. It depends on what level it is broken. It could be a fix to one class, or a fix to dozens of classes. It just depends on where the issue(s) are.

Read and quote the rest of my post. "unless someone really screwed up". That was my disclaimer. Sheesh.

[DrUrsus]

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question has anyone heard any status update on the patch?

That' what we've been talking about on just the last few pages The first patch looks like first week of August maybe and the second patch may be September and there is no guarantee it will patch some of the gameplay issues people have (look around 45 or so for OMTs post).