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  • DrUrsus
    MVP
    • Apr 2006
    • 2687

    #556
    Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

    Originally posted by davin
    While I think the sliders working would help (and help a lot in regards to being able to fine tune the cpu without giving the human bonuses), I don't think that alone can fix the defense.

    I used to be apart of the pass rush isn't a huge issue crowd, but the more I play, the more it has bugged me. I didn't sack the QB once as OSU against an FCS team. Not once. On one play my entire DL was on the ground. The CPU seems to have this amazing ability to put our DL on the ground. If this were real life I am pretty sure we'd see a discussion of how "dirty" the teams the cpu used were with the OL. I also want pressure when I do get it to have more of an effect. It takes a special QB to stand in the pocket with a DL charging at him to step into the throw into the middle of the field and take the hit. But these QBs for the most part not only can do that, but they become virtual Peyton Mannings. I'm not asking for the pass rush to dominate the game, but I want pressure to at least be attainable. If I am lucky enough to get sacks in some games, it is just because the CPU holds the ball too long on screens. It isn't just guys being upset that used to nano blitz, my playcalling patterns last year on defense might use one blitz sending 6 guys every 12 plays or so. Now my blitzes of 7 get stone walled by 5 OL. That is James Laurinaitis, Marcus Freeman, Ross Homan (two 90+, one 85+), Lawrence Wilson (90+), Cam Heyward (85+), Todd Denlinger (85+), Dexter Larrimore (85+) being stone walled by an FCS team on a consistant basis. For comparison, I watch my DL on run plays. My guys can get amazing penetration on a blitz or even without it. It is like on run plays, when the OL is trying to push my guys away, the DL gain ultra strength and can push through it.

    The zones are another problem that really need to be looked into. Running zone is almost pointless because my guys are not going to react the way they should. Zone defenses are not set up to last for 8 seconds. No defense is really planned for that, except maybe prevent (which unless it is a hail mary isn't entirely effective). My guys play zone at maybe a high school level. They quite often drop back way past their assignment, and if they do stay in it, will refuse to recognize a guy coming across the screen into his zone. That is fine for a lower ranked guy, but the highly ranked guy should at least be aware of it.

    Pursuit angles are also pretty bad. This isn't as high of priority to me, but it is still bad. It is amazing to watch the cpu players as you turn the corner. Most of the time, they have the angle, but abandon it. At the very least they should try to force you into a move. I wouldn't complain if it was the CPU just simply being overwhelmed by a Ted Ginn or Reggie Bush out there, but it is far more than that. Go run in open space where it looks like the CPU has the angle at first when you are using turbo, then watch as they give up their angle. Now stop using turbo, and they correct their angles. I have actually stopped myself from scoring just because I felt bad that my 89 speed running back was shredding FSU's defense on a big run because they forgot how to take angles on plays.

    The game still is fun, more fun than last years. But the fun of being a great defensive team isn't there as much anymore. Now I am only bringing up the negative and not writing what I think the game does right, which is a much bigger list. I love the new running system and think that alone could lead to "wide open gameplay". Sliders could really help in some aspects like I said before such as the run game where I do not need a boost on my ratings but the cpu does. It is challenging for me NOT to have 1500 yards rushing on the year with my lead RB, but I need the sliders where they are or else the cpu run game dies.
    I agree with you on most of this. Last year on the PS2 version they took those bad pursuit angles as well.

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    • COMMISSIONERHBK9
      MVP
      • Dec 2003
      • 4572

      #557
      Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

      Originally posted by DrUrsus
      That' what we've been talking about on just the last few pages The first patch looks like first week of August maybe and the second patch may be September and there is no guarantee it will patch some of the gameplay issues people have (look around 45 or so for OMTs post).
      im sorry i been following the but i lost track. the reason i ask because i havent even open the game yet. but the way i hear people on the board saying the game is unplayable until the patch comes i was thinking on waiting. that why i was hoping it already came out and i just miss something.
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      • OMT
        MVP
        • Jun 2008
        • 2997

        #558
        Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

        Originally posted by AuburnAlumni
        Oh you could not be more wrong my good man.

        There is something SERIOUSLY...I mean....SERIOUSLY wrong if you think that a big time Defensive tackle, a "Glenn Dorsey" type of player, should "get to the QB a couple of times a game".

        Dude, if I'm a 95 rated tackle like Sen'Derrick Marks for Auburn and I'm facing centers and guards that are 74 or 75 I should OWN them...I'm talking, I should be blowing up the interior of that line, getting through and making that QB's life a living hell.

        I'm not talking about getting 7 sacks a game. But an elite D line should LIVE in the backfield against mediocre competition and should be going "50/50" against similar talent.

        95 rated DEs and 95 rated DTs should be FORCES...not programmed to get stonewalled 98% of the time.

        That frightens me that you think that way. I need to send you some video of great Defensive lines and let you see what a true dominant line can do in a football game.

        "Get to the QB a couple of times and that's good enough for me"....tsk tsk...Adam..Adam..Adam. We need to work on your defensive mentality bud.
        As I said, I'm not a gameplay guy. I'm a features guy. And your post about sliders not helping pass rush.... I asked if fixing the slider bug will help and you said no because there is a bug in sliders. Ummmm....

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39438

          #559
          Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

          Originally posted by OMT
          As I said, I'm not a gameplay guy. I'm a features guy. And your post about sliders not helping pass rush.... I asked if fixing the slider bug will help and you said no because there is a bug in sliders. Ummmm....


          Nice to see some humor amongst all this negativity.

          Is there anyway to address the way the DB's and LB's play receivers during a catch? They don't attack the ball; Instead they sit there and wait for the catch, THEN make a tackle. This is very blatant on plays when the WR stops (like a hook route).
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          • OMT
            MVP
            • Jun 2008
            • 2997

            #560
            Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

            Originally posted by callmetaternuts
            I dont necessarily buy that. I dont think Adam and EA are here to spin anything. Why try to spin it when they couldve just stayed away? You look at the community days for NCAA and Madden and thnks get fixed as a result of the community. Is the game perfect? No, but i dont think Adam is hear blowing smoke. The online dynasty an roster stuff got fixed pretty fast. Should it have been broken at all? Hell No, but it was, and they fixed it.

            Adam has intimated that they are attempting to get the patch out sooner, October wasnt mentioned (and nothing was promised as far as a date goes, think i can stress taht anymore?)

            I do agree that this game hits the casual market more than the sim market, and it may have been designed that way, but i think they are attempting to address the issues. I guess we will see what happens when the final patch is announced with what it will fix. If its just fixing minor issues like a misspelled word, then we see it for what it is, but if they come through, and hit these areas weve identified, i thnk you give credit where its due.

            Plus, you gotta remember, Adam isnt the sole designed on this game, he doesnt call all the shots, he's been gracious enough to put up with our BS and answer questions and be straight with us. not once has he blown smoke or just said something bc its what we want to hear, its been quite the opposite most the time.
            Yep.. if you read my introduction when I first joined the board I was straight up front saying that I'm not here to spin things or try to sell you a game. I don't work in PR, I don't work in marketing. I'm a game designer, and I want to provide answers and insight and collect feedback from the game for how we can make it better for our hardcore gamer audience.

            As much as we'd love to design the game 100% hardcore, that just isn't feasible. We have to make a game for a whole spectrum of people that may decide to purchase it.

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            • OMT
              MVP
              • Jun 2008
              • 2997

              #561
              Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

              Originally posted by DrUrsus
              The fact is that many people that work in the video game business just don't understand sports as well as the hard core sports fan or those of us who actually played the sport. I'm not sure how much input EA is getting from athletes or knowledgable people now, but it would certainly help if they are not.
              Well, I can think of two former Division 1 quarterbacks and a former highschool football coach that work in our gameplay department.

              EDIT: and another guy who played in the CFL

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              • DrUrsus
                MVP
                • Apr 2006
                • 2687

                #562
                Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                Originally posted by COMMISSIONERHBK9
                im sorry i been following the but i lost track. the reason i ask because i havent even open the game yet. but the way i hear people on the board saying the game is unplayable until the patch comes i was thinking on waiting. that why i was hoping it already came out and i just miss something.
                I understand, I was just bustin' you a little One has to read through several pages of complaining just to find any real information. I'm probably a little guilty about cluttering this up
                Honestly Commissioner (I sound like Batman), I would not open the game. I would return it and read the forums to find out if the major flaws that may bother you are fixed. Don't get me wrong, it can be a fun game, but after a while the frustration mounts kind of like last years Madden, but not as bad. I have great hope for Madden this year, and I have a feeling they are going to deliver this time (call me crazy). I would use your money towards that. I don't buy a lot of games per year so I went ahead and bought NCAA Football. Would I buy it again knowing what I know now? No. I would have just waited. I bet a lot of people feel the same. But to each their own. If they like the game, more power to them!

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                • DrUrsus
                  MVP
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 2687

                  #563
                  Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                  Originally posted by OMT
                  Well, I can think of two former Division 1 quarterbacks and a former highschool football coach that work in our gameplay department.
                  Great. What do you think about my idea for QB IQ if you get the chance to respond?

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                  • mvb34
                    S**c*d* P**l C*-Ch*mp**n
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 8139

                    #564
                    Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                    Originally posted by OMT
                    As I said, I'm not a gameplay guy. I'm a features guy. And your post about sliders not helping pass rush.... I asked if fixing the slider bug will help and you said no because there is a bug in sliders. Ummmm....
                    Sliders won't help in online play unless you play in an online league..
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                    • callmetaternuts
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 7050

                      #565
                      Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                      Adam, Both AA and I made some posts 2-3 pages back concerning the 2nd patch and the defense, can you address any of that?
                      Check out my Tampa Bay Buccaneers CFM Thread.

                      You too can be a 5* recruit at FSU.......

                      Originally posted by TwelveozPlaya21
                      add worthless Xavier Lee to that list..
                      Originally posted by MassNole
                      CFL here he comes. Pfft, wait that would require learning a playbook. McDonalds here he comes.

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                      • Phobia
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 11635

                        #566
                        Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                        Originally posted by OMT
                        Yep.. if you read my introduction when I first joined the board I was straight up front saying that I'm not here to spin things or try to sell you a game. I don't work in PR, I don't work in marketing. I'm a game designer, and I want to provide answers and insight and collect feedback from the game for how we can make it better for our hardcore gamer audience.

                        As much as we'd love to design the game 100% hardcore, that just isn't feasible. We have to make a game for a whole spectrum of people that may decide to purchase it.
                        Sup OMT
                        Well can you give us a honest reply if the D-line lissues will be addressed? OR at least the sliders getting fixed so we can atleast do something till you all can?

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                        • therizing02
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 4175

                          #567
                          Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                          Originally posted by OMT
                          As much as we'd love to design the game 100% hardcore, that just isn't feasible. We have to make a game for a whole spectrum of people that may decide to purchase it.
                          Adam,

                          I think deep down most of us know that the game will never be 100% hardcore. The frustrations from most of the people here come from the fact that NCAA is soooooooooooooo close to being a great game that it's extremely frustrating when the silly little programming cheats "get by the testers". NCAA 09 is like a perfectly hot woman that's missing a front tooth. Many great things to look at and a ton of potential except that missing tooth.

                          As far as this never being a "100% hardcore" title is there ever a school of thought at EA to allow the "wide open game play" crowd to get that style of play from the lower difficulty levels and allow the hardcore gamers to work against tougher AI, not speed cheats, and a more hardcore/simulation style on the All American and Heisman levels? Is that possible from a programming standpoint?
                          Last edited by therizing02; 07-23-2008, 01:02 PM.

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                          • DrUrsus
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 2687

                            #568
                            Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                            Originally posted by OMT
                            Yep.. if you read my introduction when I first joined the board I was straight up front saying that I'm not here to spin things or try to sell you a game. I don't work in PR, I don't work in marketing. I'm a game designer, and I want to provide answers and insight and collect feedback from the game for how we can make it better for our hardcore gamer audience.

                            As much as we'd love to design the game 100% hardcore, that just isn't feasible. We have to make a game for a whole spectrum of people that may decide to purchase it.
                            That's very understandable, and I think that is where sliders help. In the past EA used to have a Arcade vs Simulation toggle for their games, most recently the NHL series. I also think that is a good thing to help with the masses vs hardcore sports fan issue.
                            I am excited about the Madden feature that will try to tailor the game to your strengths/weaknesses. I think that may be the future of "sliders" I am sure it will take a while to perfect, but it is probably a step in the right direction if it can be done correctly. I have always been way too good at passing and not good enough at running. Sliders have helped with this, but this new feature may really be cool. Thanks for your input, OMT. I don't want to come off as negative, I am just giving some constructive criticism. This game is so close to being awesome if some of these gameplay issues can be patched.

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                            • Phobia
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 11635

                              #569
                              Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                              Originally posted by callmetaternuts
                              Adam, Both AA and I made some posts 2-3 pages back concerning the 2nd patch and the defense, can you address any of that?
                              Yea I think the biggest game play problem across the boards, is the Defense playing lower than the offense. This being adressed would help greatly. I mean the offense will still have all the new juke moves and break ankle type stuff. We just want the D to play tighter and the D-line to play like it should.

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                              • mdgoalie37
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 1456

                                #570
                                Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

                                Originally posted by OMT
                                As I said, I'm not a gameplay guy. I'm a features guy. And your post about sliders not helping pass rush.... I asked if fixing the slider bug will help and you said no because there is a bug in sliders. Ummmm....
                                I would like to see some major changes on the defensive side, well all 3 sides really, many have been mentioned here so I won't get into the specifics. However I think most of these changes won't come via a patch as they will need to be coded into the 'game philosophy', so to speak. Basically what I mean is neutering the defense in order to achieve the 'wide open gameplay.'

                                Anyway the sliders are part of the game now, and they don't work correctly or in some cases at all. It's almost as if you selected a punt, but the kicker didn't kick it and just ran around in circles (yes, this is an extreme example but I think you catch my snowdrift). I mean that would be seen as a major bug, as it's a play that just doesn't work (esp if it was all punt formations). The sliders are are a feature in the menus that just doesn't do what it's intended to do. If they worked, at least we would be able to make those adjustments and in turn tune the game ourselves.

                                It's a shame because I think if you took 08, fixed the INTs, toned down the superman LBs a bit, then gave us the ball carrier moves, the QB throw 'feel' along with the player models and graphics of 09 you have a great game. I feel like it's in there now, it just needs to be dragged out.
                                "It's a dog-eat-dog world and I'm wearing Milk-Bone underwear."
                                -- Norm Peterson

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