NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

[concretefire]

Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

Since my previous two posts have been deleted for no reason whatsoever, I suppose this is a waste of time as well but here it goes.

Anyone else curious as to why it's Adam answering most of the questions? As he says, he's a "features" guy. He's not with the gameplay dept. 98% of complaints are coming strictly from gameplay. ??????

Guys, we have beaten this to death. They simply don't get it. They are wasting our time and theirs. Think about it. If they come here to try to "listen" to us and help make the game better...by either patch, next year, etc...etc.. then they are failing miserably.

How many times do we have to say, as a community, LEAVE OUT EVERY SINGE GOSH DARN "FEATURE" known to man, and the get the gameplay right!!!!!!!!!!!! How many years have we been saying that??????

Adam himself has done a great job here. But he works for EA.
He is EA's answer to complaints. A features guy.

We have a broken driveway, and EA sent us an electrician.
Does that not make perfect sense? Same gameplay issues year after year. Rocket catch, Poor AI, Robo QB, etc.. the list is long.
And they send us someone who isn't even the gameplay dept to address our "issues".

Guys, I'm sorry. Add all this up, and EA just doesn't get it. They just don't. There will be at least 2 patches. I take Adam for his word on this. When doesn't really matter to me. This is corporate EA we're dealing with, not Adam. I have no doubts what so ever that even after the 2nd patch we will be left as frustrated as we are now.
Anyone who hopes for better is foolish given the track record, and writting on the wall.

[babyfat9]

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BTW, what day are we on regarding patch watch? Day 8?

I'm wondering that myself. They say there must be tons of games going through the patch process and that's why it's taking so long....go figure.

[callmetaternuts]

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BTW, what day are we on regarding patch watch? Day 8?

Adam said he thought it was 5-10 days, he didnt promise it in 5-10 days. We'd all like it now, but Sony and MS hve to approve it. Griping about it wont make it arrive sooner.

[OMT]

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Read more closely.

The slider bug right now is that Human sliders appear to effect BOTH the Human AND CPU attributes.

So.... with that in mind.

If I have Human Sliders set with a Break Block of 100 and a Pass Block of 0, you would think that my defensive line AND the cpu defensive line would be blowing up the O line, busting through every play, and killing the QBs at that extreme of a setting.

They dont.

So either the sliders are reversed or its a placebo effect and those two sliders don't work at all. You tell me.

If they do work, and simply effect BOTH sides, then my statement still holds true. That Break Block at 100 and Pass Block at 0 doesn't help any pass rush.

Right.. but I said if we fixed that, and you said it wouldn't help because they don't work. I think you are misunderstaning me!

[callmetaternuts]

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Right.. but I said if we fixed that, and you said it wouldn't help because they don't work. I think you are misunderstaning me!

Adam, i explained it after he made that statement. The sliders dont modify enough (even when working). The defensive stuff needs major movements here, tweaking, fixing, correcting, whatever its called. The sliders, whether they work or not will not create enough impact to accomplish what needs to be fixed.

[AuburnAlumni]

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Right.. but I said if we fixed that, and you said it wouldn't help because they don't work. I think you are misunderstaning me!

Now read this post (and the other 5 posts like it in the last few pages)....

Bingo! Yahtzee!!! Touchdown Auburn!!!

If I have Break Block at 100, my DL and LBs should be DESTROYING blockers.

If I have Run Ability at 100, Tailbacks should be Bo Jackson incarnate.

If I have QB Pass Accuracy at 0, QBs shouldn't be able to complete a 10 yard out route (but throw POWER should not be affected).

The sliders don't do ENOUGH. Look at the sliders folks are using in the sliders forum for crying out loud. Stuff set at 90. Stuff set at 100. Stuff set at 0.

This PROVES that whatever the sliders are intended to affect just aren't doing anything noticeable with a "click" or two movement. You have to literally jack the sliders all the way up or all the way down to see any noticeable difference.

[nstod]

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Adam, i explained it after he made that statement. The sliders dont modify enough (even when working). The defensive stuff needs major movements here, tweaking, fixing, correcting, whatever its called. The sliders, whether they work or not will not create enough impact to accomplish what needs to be fixed.

I think what he's saying is what if they completely fix the sliders. Not just make it so that the CPU sliders actually control the CPU AI. But make the sliders so they actually can modify the gameplay to the extent that they should. IMO, if THAT was to be fixed, we could hide a lot of the gameplay issues.

[eaglesfan27]

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Adam,

If the team makes sliders have a more pronounced effect as well as fixing the issue with human sliders controlling humans and CPU, that will be great. If the human/cpu issue is the only fix, then it won't accomplish what AA or I (and I suspect many others) want which are sliders that have a large prounced effect on gameplay so that we can truly tune it to meet our styles.

I hate to mention any other games, but College Hoops 2k8 has great sliders - you adjust 3 point shooting 2 or 3 clicks on a scale of 1-100 from 48 to 45 and you notice a very significant difference. You drop it a few more clicks down to 40 and it a DRASTIC difference. NCAA 09 needs to make the sliders much more responsive like other sports games do.

[callmetaternuts]

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I think what he's saying is what if they completely fix the sliders. Not just make it so that the CPU sliders actually control the CPU AI. But make the sliders so they actually can modify the gameplay to the extent that they should. IMO, if THAT was to be fixed, we could hide a lot of the gameplay issues.

The sliders have NEVER been like that though. What we are all saying (And what AA is saying in bold and caps) is that the defense needs to be fixed, not tweaked with sliders. This isnt a rudiemntary issue where we feel that passes are going 5 yards too far and we adjust that. This is an issue where the defense plays like a bunch of 3 year olds at soccer as compared to the nasty defenses we see on Saturday.

There is a HUGE gap as to what we are seeing and want to see. Sliders, unless they are completely redone (see AA's post above) will not affect the gameplay in the way we are all intending it to.

[nstod]

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Sliders, unless they are completely redone (see AA's post above) will not affect the gameplay in the way we are all intending it to.

Yeah, I know. I think that this is what Adam is referring to. Not sure how else to explain it to you, man.

[callmetaternuts]

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Yeah, I know. I think that this is what Adam is referring to. Not sure how else to explain it to you, man.

We're on the same page. If the sliders are completely redone and have MAJOR impacts on the game, then that should, in theory, HELP us correct alot of the issues in the game. But i guess the bigger question is, should we be left as gamers to have to cover up bigger flaws?

Now ill take that responsibility over having nothing to remedy it with, but unlses they are completely redone with drastic impact, i cant see them making a difference.

If they are re-done, again, IN THEORY, it should help, but until we get our hands on it, who knows.

[nstod]

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Yeah, I'm with you guys. At this point, I don't care what they do as long as we can make the game play a whole lot better than it's playing right now.

[EAreaper26]

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That doesn't work at all for the punt returns imo. The human punt returns on AA difficulty are too easy no matter what you do. I've tried dropping punt length, increasing punt length, punt accuracy, whatever. I can return punts at 20+ yards almost every time on AA and I've normally been a lousy returner in the past. I did find that the punt returns seemed really good on Heisman though.

oh, i adjusted the sliders while playing on heisman and the game is playing great.

[AuburnAlumni]

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Honestly,

This isn't rocket science.

Adam and other EA fellas perusing our boards...

Here is how you see if anything you guys are currently "patching" is going to do a darn thing.

Play a "Play Now" Game.

Put it on any difficulty level you want.

Pick Georgia or Ohio State...an all "99" team ("99" ratings...That's a whole other issue altogether but I digress).

Play against Utah State, the absolute worst team in the game.

Jack all of the HUMAN sliders to 100.

Jack all of the CPU sliders to 0.

If you don't win that game 110-0...then your patch isn't doing anything.

More importantly, with those EXTREME SETTINGS, if you don't have 35 sacks, and the Utah State QB is going 16-20 with 180 yards 2 TDs....your patch isn't doing anything.

IF YOUR DEFENSIVE LINEMEN ARE GETTING PANCAKED EVERY SINGLE PLAY, OR HALF OF YOUR FRONT FOUR GET CHOP BLOCKED ON EVERY SINGLE PLAY....THEN YOUR "PATCH" ISN'T DOING ANYTHING.

Simple. To the point.

[Niq54]

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As far as fixing sliders, I'm not sure it it help fix the game. Especially defensive pressure. Sliders simply affect player ratings. And some player ratings do not matter. I have tested this and I have determined Pass Block Pass Block Strength and Pass Block Footwork and Catch ratings have little to no affect on game play. I edited a FB to to a 0 catch rating and he still catches the ball. I edited a LT to 0 Pass Block and 0 Pass Block Strength and Footwork and they BLOW UP 95 rated DEs, and do that miraculous/ridiculous cut block animation and flip defenders in the air. Also RBs block as well as O-lineman. They have low ratings and weight and still block like Orlando Pace. My biggest issue with all of this is Building a Good defense or great offensive line in dynasty is pointless because they all play the same.