NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

[simgameonly]

Re: NCAA Football 09 Patch Announcement

EA is never going to admit favoritism to sim or casual gamers, it would not sense business wise when because they have no competition they can draw from both sets of consumers. Omt has said something along the lines of "wishing" the game could be made more sim, but that it had to appeal to both parties. Dont quote me on that. Anyway they target the casual and do just enough to capture a share of the hardcore audience, mission accomplished from their perspective. Better sliders is all we can hope for gameplay wise fellas.

[callmetaternuts]

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I dont need to say much else, i dont think anyone does. It feels like we are spinning our wheels about this. Obviously we are aggravated. And obviously, some of us are very vocal about it. I'd just like to see some progress at this point. The game out of the package is missing a few things, its not up to speed (heh) and just doesnt play right, thats all well and good, nothing we can do about it, BUT, how do we (and by we i mean EA) move forward?

Id like to hear from Adam or Ian or anyone in that regards as to what the perspective EA has on all this.......are we wasting our time my pointing out defensive flaws? They have been looked at, but have we gone past that state? Will there be (possible) changes? Anything (tentatively) set up?

Thats whats killing me, we have a voice on so many other things, except the defense. I love the game of football, im a huge football dork, i gladly admit it. I wager on games, i get up at 9 AM on Sat to catch pre-game shows and literally from 1130 AM to 230 AM (gotta love Hawaii and USC) i sit in the man room and watch football. My wife loves/hates it (shopping versus she doesnt see me). This game is a reflection of that for me. Sure, maybe i take it a bit far, maybe my love of turning around the polygon Noles goes overboard. I love to play realistic football. I went 7-6, 8-5, 10-2, 7-6 through my first four years last year, so im not just dropping back 40 yards and winging it. I want realistic football, i want to see my defense shut people down. I used to play 2-3 games a night and completely kill my sleep schedule (not a spring chicken anymore).

I want to see Drew Weatherford disappoint me, i want my defense to play tough and get tired at the end of the game and blow it. I'd like my defense to actually play like they are rated. I want to feel a sense of anticipation when i recruit the #2 DE in the land, right now its a giant WHO CARES. I have a freaking dynasty thread here (in dynasty hq) that goes over the NCAA 2007 season, and i read it the other day and LOVED seeing the losses i had, the 13-29 1 TD 1 INT games. The 10-7 scores. I felt like my defense had a chance, and i wanted to recruit good Defensive players to build up the Noles.

I understand every game has its issues, but for some magic reason, i was able to look past the drops issue in 2005 and i was able to get past the INT fest last year, maybe bc those things were the only HUGE glaring errors in the game. I (we) can deal with one big problem, we can handle that. But that ONE problem cant be one entire side of the ball.

Right now......im one game in.....on an FIU dynasty......havent touched FSU at all. This game that has stolen my July's - December's every year since the turn of the century is different this year. Maybe you dont know me, but thats a huge deal.......i hate it. Ive got all the pre-season mags, ive got my Noles flag out, ive got my Noles helmet out, and the only thing missing is a true representation on the console of my choice.

But i digress......i apologize if this got off track, caused anyone to shoot themselves, or made anyone hate FSU merely by my association

/sad story about my pathetic life :wink:

[erivera7]

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This is a very long post, it comes for Bill Harris over at Dubious Quality. Figured this would be a good read, as he is able to post some good numbers based on what we are all seeing. Enjoy (and sorry for the length)

Does that indicate an issue to anyone?

Edit: I realize this is a gameplay/patch announcement thread, so ill tie it in by saying this. The issues we all have been clamoring about are laid out in nice bullet point form in that quote. There are areas essential to the game that are not working properly. They cant jus tbe ignored or hit with a small bandaid.

At this point, i feel like im just talking to myself.......

That was the greatest systematic butchering of NCAA '09 I've ever read (and I've read plenty, from Bill Abner and so forth). You should make that its own thread and have a mod sticky that ... everyone will have a field day with that post.

[AuburnAlumni]

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I dont need to say much else, i dont think anyone does. It feels like we are spinning our wheels about this. Obviously we are aggravated. And obviously, some of us are very vocal about it. I'd just like to see some progress at this point. The game out of the package is missing a few things, its not up to speed (heh) and just doesnt play right, thats all well and good, nothing we can do about it, BUT, how do we (and by we i mean EA) move forward?

Id like to hear from Adam or Ian or anyone in that regards as to what the perspective EA has on all this.......are we wasting our time my pointing out defensive flaws? They have been looked at, but have we gone past that state? Will there be (possible) changes? Anything (tentatively) set up?

Thats whats killing me, we have a voice on so many other things, except the defense. I love the game of football, im a huge football dork, i gladly admit it. I wager on games, i get up at 9 AM on Sat to catch pre-game shows and literally from 1130 AM to 230 AM (gotta love Hawaii and USC) i sit in the man room and watch football. My wife loves/hates it (shopping versus she doesnt see me). This game is a reflection of that for me. Sure, maybe i take it a bit far, maybe my love of turning around the polygon Noles goes overboard. I love to play realistic football. I went 7-6, 8-5, 10-2, 7-6 through my first four years last year, so im not just dropping back 40 yards and winging it. I want realistic football, i want to see my defense shut people down. I used to play 2-3 games a night and completely kill my sleep schedule (not a spring chicken anymore).

I want to see Drew Weatherford disappoint me, i want my defense to play tough and get tired at the end of the game and blow it. I'd like my defense to actually play like they are rated. I want to feel a sense of anticipation when i recruit the #2 DE in the land, right now its a giant WHO CARES. I have a freaking dynasty thread here (in dynasty hq) that goes over the NCAA 2007 season, and i read it the other day and LOVED seeing the losses i had, the 13-29 1 TD 1 INT games. The 10-7 scores. I felt like my defense had a chance, and i wanted to recruit good Defensive players to build up the Noles.

Right now......im one game in.....on an FIU dynasty......havent touched FSU at all. This game that has stolen my July's - December's every year since the turn of the century is different this year. Maybe you dont know me, but thats a huge deal.......i hate it. Ive got all the pre-season mags, ive got my Noles flag out, ive got my Noles helmet out, and the only thing missing is a true representation on the console of my choice.

/sad story about my pathetic life :wink:

Word.

I'm done with it. I've said my peace. If they can't determine what many folks feel are big time issues that need addressing in the 793 posts explaining in detail what they are..... well....

Like I said....sure would be nice to hear something, anything in regards to our concerns regarding gameplay .

No need repeating what has already been said 1000 times over.

[halos17]

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I dont need to say much else, i dont think anyone does. It feels like we are spinning our wheels about this. Obviously we are aggravated. And obviously, some of us are very vocal about it. I'd just like to see some progress at this point. The game out of the package is missing a few things, its not up to speed (heh) and just doesnt play right, thats all well and good, nothing we can do about it, BUT, how do we (and by we i mean EA) move forward?

Funny thing is does it really matter to EA anyway?? We've already spent the $60 bucks so what do they care? Because you know, we ALWAYS come back to buy again either with Madden or next year's version. It's easy money to them.

And we all know why.... We have no other alternative.

[mwjr]

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Ok so explain this one to me....

I can't. That woman in your avatar - she reeeeeeally enjoys singing, doesn't she?

[z_a_double_k]

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Word.

I'm done with it. I've said my peace. If they can't determine what many folks feel are big time issues that need addressing in the 793 posts explaining in detail what they are..... well....

Like I said....sure would be nice to hear something, anything in regards to our concerns regarding gameplay .

No need repeating what has already been said 1000 times over.

Sorry to get tooo far off topic, but WHO is that in your avatar AuburnAlumni?

[AuburnAlumni]

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Sorry to get tooo far off topic, but WHO is that in your avatar AuburnAlumni?

I have no idea. No one ever asks me so I never bothered to find out.

[z_a_double_k]

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I have no idea. No one ever asks me so I never bothered to find out.

Oh, do you know what the clip is from? I must find out who this dream woman is!

[Marino]

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Oh, do you know what the clip is from? I must find out who this dream woman is!

i dont remember her name but i remember this being discussed before and we know now that she is pretty fat.

[erivera7]

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I dont need to say much else, i dont think anyone does. It feels like we are spinning our wheels about this. Obviously we are aggravated. And obviously, some of us are very vocal about it. I'd just like to see some progress at this point. The game out of the package is missing a few things, its not up to speed (heh) and just doesnt play right, thats all well and good, nothing we can do about it, BUT, how do we (and by we i mean EA) move forward?

Hey man, I'm right there with you. Out of all the sports game that I play (NBA 2K, FIFA, etc.) ... NCAA has always been THE quintessential sports game for me, at least it USED TO BE. Being able to take a struggling program in '04 & '06 and build it up systematically in a very realistic manner is one of the most gratifying moments I've had in sports gaming. It can be FSU, it can be Idaho, hell ... anyone ... I enjoyed every minute of it.

Now?

I can't do that anymore. I rented NCAA '09 (thankfully) and was just flat out disgusted with the game. I tried, tried, tried looking past it flaws. I'd super-sim kick/punt returns ... tried firktaf's slider set to fix the lack of pass rush ... played a plethora of games hoping that a semblance of realistic football could be played. But it's just impossible, I'm not having fun and it sucks saying that for a franchise that I practically worshipped on the last-gen.

I used to write dynasty reports/journals too back in the day. My best one was when I controlled Rice and took the Owls to a BCS bowl game in my fifth season, thanks Big 12!!! It took work though, my first season I was 6-5 and I gradually improved each season ... I was hardcore about it too. Real hardcore.

I set house rules on my play style/recruiting. I researched future schedules on nationalchamps.net to make sure I was realistic with my scheduling. It was nuts, but it was worth it because '04 & '06 played so well for me and it was worth my time/energy.

I can't do that anymore and it's a shame. The NCAA series for me is like that hot chic in high school EVERYONE wanted to be with, but when she got to college ... she let herself go and those same people can't stand to look at her anymore.

That, my friends, is how I feel about the NCAA franchise now.

/thank you

[callmetaternuts]

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i dont remember her name but i remember this being discussed before and we know now that she is pretty fat.

Alright, PM him if you want to know, lets not take this any more off topic than it is. Id like to at least keep some resemblance of football conversation and what we want in the patch.

One more day, down the drain with not much progress.........

[Marino]

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Alright, PM him if you want to know, lets not take this any more off topic than it is. Id like to at least keep some resemblance of football conversation and what we want in the patch.

One more day, down the drain with not much progress.........

My bad...but i agree i would like some more information on this second patch....guess we have to be patient

[RoyceBrown]

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Bill pretty much nails it yet again.

Here's the biggest thing.

The guys who are screaming bloody murder about the "obscene" issues on defense, special teams, etc.

We aren't 14 year old kids who just got here.

Bill Harris, Bill Abner, Rhombic, LBzrule, myself, tater etc.

These are guys who are grown men, have played this series throughout its entire existence, and are pretty much experts on the game and its nuances.

And this is by far the most extreme and the most frustrated I think we as a group have been with the AI.

I can handle a few too many "pick sixes".

But the complete and total castration of anything related to good defense...good pursuit angles, effective pass rush, potent blitz packages, sound pass coverage.... is infuriating.

This is THE game for me. This is it. I am a college football fanatic. And my one single "game of games" in my library has basically become an arcade game as it stands right now.

No defense, just offense, offense, offense...all game, every game.

I highly respect your (& Abner & rhomhic's also, don't know who LBzrules is, I'm sure he's dandy too) opinions/observations regarding this game, and highly appreciate everything you have done to expose the steaming pile of total offensive garbage NCAA09 really is.

I also agree with you on nearly EVERY issue you have brought to light the last week or so. It is so glaringly broken that I don't see how any sane person could not see it.

If these issues aren't addressed or if the group that is unhappy, which I would consider "respected" among the gaming community, is simply dismissed as "whiners" and not representative of the majority of NCAAers, then I may seriously, for the first time ever...reconsider buying this game next year until I actually see what it will be like.

That's a big statement for someone who will pay 40 bucks just to have the game shipped to my house overnight on a Saturday this past year and every year prior.

I don't want to sound like a d!ck here, but this is exactly the reason why nothing will ever change with EA.

If someone as diehard & knowledgable as yourself will simply "reconsider buying" next years product even after the utter mess that this years product is, what incentive is there to ever change/improve/fix anything?

Imagine all the kiddies out there who just play the game for fun, and don't get all hardcore on it like we all do here at OS.....do you think the issues 2009 suffers from will deter them any more then it will deter you or I?

Until consumers step up & refuse to purchase the product nothing will ever change. And that's not a knock on the developers themselves, I'm sure they care fine & well about the product they produce, but it is a knock on the executives at EA who only care about the bottom line profit. And the attitude from the executives filters down throughout the company, that is completely visible by playing this game (& NCAA2008, 2007 etc.).




Honestly, it has gone totally downhill. I used to buy the game, play it for awhile, and start to notice some issues over time. Kind of like finding out your girlfriend of 3 months has a webbed toe (not ideal, but also not a deal breaker). I used to take time to find the problems. Sometimes you weren't even 100% convinced there even was a problem.

NCAA 2009 is like finding out on the first date that Suzy has a lazy eye....and a penis. The issues are so glaringly obvious that you pretty much find them within playing 2 or 3 games. Issues should be getting more difficult to find as the versions of this series advance, not easier to find. I just speaks to the overall mentality of the corporate giant known as EA.

Sorry for the rant.

[fistofrage]

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NCAA 2009 is like finding out on the first date that Suzy has a lazy eye....and a penis. The issues are so glaringly obvious that you pretty much find them within playing 2 or 3 games. Issues should be getting more difficult to find as the versions of this series advance, not easier to find. I just speaks to the overall mentality of the corporate giant known as EA.

Sorry for the rant.

Well if Suzy is NCAA football, not only does she have a penis, but she slipped you a roofy, *&^%*&^% you in the A$$, and stole $60 out of your wallet.