Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

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  • Cebby
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    • Apr 2005
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    #46
    Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

    Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
    Hooray! A misleading stat. Hawaii won 11 games, but they won 11 games playing an inferior schedule. Their equal win total to TCU is completely irrelevant in Hawaii's case when their best win came against...7-6 Purdue. TCU beat an undefeated Boise Team and 10 win BYU.
    You didn't qualify anything. You said:

    "and an 11 win team?"

    They beat an 11 win team, so I answered yes.

    '06 Chokie's best win came against a 9 win Nebraska team. In fact, they didn't even beat a team with 10 wins. '08 Bama murdered 11 win Georgia and beat 10-4 Ole Miss.
    You're overestimating UGA and Ole Miss' win totals by 1.

    UGA and Ole Miss combined to win 19 games.

    Nebraska and TAMU combined to win 18 games.

    Alabama's top 5 wins won 41 games.

    Oklahoma's top 5 wins won 41 games.

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    • BigDofBA
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      • Aug 2002
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      #47
      Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

      Originally posted by MassNole
      How can you justify that? Utah beat the team who beat USC and just beat Alabama by more than Florida did. In what world could they not reasonably beat Florida or USC?
      Simple. Just by watching the teams play it's evident that USC and Florida have superior talent.

      Penn State destroyed Oregon State but that didn't mean Penn State was better than USC. Bama beat Ole Miss but that didn't mean Bama was better than Florida.
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      • superjames1992
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        #48
        Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

        They should be the National Champions, but they won't be. A PLAYOFF is needed obviously.

        Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
        Odd, since I do remember you saying quite a while ago that '06 Oklahoma "was among one of the worst BCS teams ever."
        That would be 2004 Pittsburgh. That team plain sucked.
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        • Chip Douglass
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          • Dec 2005
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          #49
          Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

          Originally posted by Cebby
          You didn't qualify anything. You said:

          "and an 11 win team?"

          They beat an 11 win team, so I answered yes.
          You're smarter than that.

          You're overestimating UGA and Ole Miss' win totals by 1.

          UGA and Ole Miss combined to win 19 games.

          Nebraska and TAMU combined to win 18 games..
          Do we want to seriously compare UGA/Ole Miss to '06 Nebraska/TAMU? Ole Miss beat Florida in the Swamp. UGA won double digit games in a much tougher conference and dropped three games to three top-15 teams. Nebraska lost 5 games and played in the Big XII North and TAMU lost to nearly all of the ranked teams they played.

          19 total wins in a conference in which the two best teams were Texas/Chokie? Compared to 19 total wins in a conference in which the two best teams are Florida/Alabama? The best win combined from both NU/TAMU was probably @ Texas. How does that compare to winning @ the Swamp or beating Texas Tech?
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          • fistofrage
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            • Aug 2002
            • 13682

            #50
            Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

            Originally posted by BigDofBA
            Simple. Just by watching the teams play it's evident that USC and Florida have superior talent.

            Penn State destroyed Oregon State but that didn't mean Penn State was better than USC. Bama beat Ole Miss but that didn't mean Bama was better than Florida.
            But there is no evidence that anyone could beat Utah this year. Thats the point. There is evidence that every other team in the land could be beaten. This is why you have to decide this on the field.

            Welcome to the Westminster Dog show where Utah is a mutt that found its way in amongst a bunch of pedigrees. Despite being perfect, they are still a Mutt with no BCS papers, so they are disqualified.
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            • dodgerblue
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              • Feb 2003
              • 1239

              #51
              Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

              To answer the OP I say why not? But so do USC and UT (providing they win convincingly against tOSU). So that would be a four way split including the fla/ou winner.

              It's the only way things are fair imo. This year more than any the nc will be mythical.

              I'm actually really glad Utah won because this really muddies up the waters. If bama had won it would have legitimized the bcs championship game all the more. Now it really puts it into question especially if Florida beats OU.
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              • Rocky
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                • Jul 2002
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                #52
                Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                Originally posted by BigDofBA
                Simple. Just by watching the teams play it's evident that USC and Florida have superior talent.
                LOL, you could say the same about Alabama.

                IT'S WHY THEY PLAY THE GAMES. But since Utah or USC or Florida or OU or Texas can't play each other in a playoff, then we have to go on merit.

                We believe that Utah has more merit than any of those teams.
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                • XFactah416
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                  • Oct 2008
                  • 1708

                  #53
                  Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                  The one thing that I don't like:

                  People say that Alabama was overrated, or not that great. Instead of Alabama being not so-great, how about Utah was just better then advertised?

                  Regardless, sure, Utah deserves the chance, but will never get it (nor will any mid-major) unless they schedule like "major" BCS schools and then have all of the power schools (teams like USC, etc..) lose.

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                  • pfunk880
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                    • Jul 2004
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                    #54
                    Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                    Originally posted by fistofrage
                    Welcome to the Westminster Dog show where Utah is a mutt that found its way in amongst a bunch of pedigrees. Despite being perfect, they are still a Mutt with no BCS papers, so they are disqualified.
                    Sad but true.

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                    • Chip Douglass
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                      • Dec 2005
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                      #55
                      Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                      Originally posted by Rocky
                      We believe that Utah has more merit than any of those teams.
                      Absolutely. Beating Alabama and TCU is more impressive than anything on USC's and Oklahoma's resume.

                      I do think it's a tad bit ironic though that people are quicker to call Alabama "overrated" then they are to give credit to Utah. Alabama was a fecking quarter away from playing in the MNC, yet suddenly they're overrated? LOL. That doesn't give enough credit to Utah for making them look "overrated" in the first place.
                      Last edited by Chip Douglass; 01-03-2009, 02:00 AM.
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                      • HungryBologna
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 3156

                        #56
                        Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                        Sure.

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                        • HungryBologna
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                          • Nov 2003
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                          #57
                          Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                          Originally posted by XFactah416
                          The one thing that I don't like:

                          People say that Alabama was overrated, or not that great. Instead of Alabama being not so-great, how about Utah was just better then advertised?

                          Regardless, sure, Utah deserves the chance, but will never get it (nor will any mid-major) unless they schedule like "major" BCS schools and then have all of the power schools (teams like USC, etc..) lose.
                          Cept they play in the MW which is btw, just as good as the Big East and ACC.

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                          • Matteh
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                            • Jun 2004
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                            #58
                            Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                            Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
                            Beating Alabama and TCU is more impressive than anything on USC's and Oklahoma's resume.
                            Not sure how you can call Utah's 13-10 win over TCU more impressive than anything OU did when OU beat TCU 35-10.
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                            • Chip Douglass
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                              • Dec 2005
                              • 12256

                              #59
                              Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                              Originally posted by Matteh
                              Not sure how you can call Utah's 13-10 win over TCU more impressive than anything OU did when OU beat TCU 35-10.
                              Or beating Alabama by a lot, compared to Oklahoma beating Texas Tech.

                              The point still pretty much stands though.
                              Last edited by Chip Douglass; 01-03-2009, 02:21 AM.
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                              • HotSauce2k3
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                                • Nov 2002
                                • 1848

                                #60
                                Re: Does Utah deserve a chance at a split MNC?

                                They get my vote.

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