Top 5 Center Fielders in MLB09 The Show

[JoeRyan33]

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Josh Hamilton:

2007: 298 AB / .292 / .368 OBP / .554 SLG / .922 OPS
2008: 624 AB / .304 / .371 OBP / .530 SLG / .902 OPS

Hmmmmm.

[JoeRyan33]

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Josh Hamilton is definitely not the best centerfield in baseball.

I suggest you start watching some Indians games, my friend.

If that's supposed to mean Sizemore, I'll say he's not even the best CF in the AL Central. Granderson's better.

Hamilton is better than both.

[GoBucs09]

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I figured Nate McLouth would be at least in the top ten. oh well.

Willy Taveras?

Yeah I don't get why Nate McLouth is in there, he is the only Pirates player that should crack a top ten. He won a gold glove last year and has always been pretty consistent in CF. He's got power (doubles and home runs) and capable of stealing 20-25 bases a year. If defense is heavily weighed then he should be in the top 10, if 3 year averages are used hes better than Willy Taveras and might be better than Vernon Wells.

I'd say B.J. Upton is overrated. Ellsbury and Hamilton are better and McLouth is almost as good.

Going by Stats. I would say it should be:

Sizemore
Beltran
Hunter
Victorino
Ellsbury
Hamilton
Upton
McLouth
Granderson
Wells
Taveras

[OSUFan_88]

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If that's supposed to mean Sizemore, I'll say he's not even the best CF in the AL Central. Granderson's better.

Hamilton is better than both.

You keep thinking that, bud.

Sizemore:
SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
2004 Cle 43 138 15 34 6 2 4 24 14 34 2 0 .246 .333 .406 .739
2005 Cle 158 640 111 185 37 11 22 81 52 132 22 10 .289 .348 .484 .832
2006 Cle 162 655 134 190 53 11 28 76 78 153 22 6 .290 .375 .533 .908
2007 Cle 162 628 118 174 34 5 24 78 101 155 33 10 .277 .390 .462 .852
2008 Cle 157 634 101 170 39 5 33 90 98 130 38 5 .268 .374 .502 .876
Total -- 682 2695 479 753 169 34 111 349 343 604 117 31 .279 .370 .491 .861

Granderson:
SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
2004 Det 9 25 2 6 1 1 0 0 3 8 0 0 .240 .321 .360 .681
2005 Det 47 162 18 44 6 3 8 20 10 43 1 1 .272 .314 .494 .808
2006 Det 159 596 90 155 31 9 19 68 66 174 8 5 .260 .335 .438 .773
2007 Det 158 612 122 185 38 23 23 74 52 141 26 1 .302 .361 .552 .913
2008 Det 141 553 112 155 26 13 22 66 71 111 12 4 .280 .365 .494 .859
Total -- 514 1948 344 545 102 49 72 228 202 477 47 11 .280 .350 .493 .843

Hamilton:

SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
2007 Cin 90 298 52 87 17 2 19 47 33 65 3 3 .292 .368 .554 .922
2008 Tex 156 624 98 190 35 5 32 130 64 126 9 1 .304 .371 .530 .901
Total -- 246 922 150 277 52 7 51 177 97 191 12 4 .300 .370 .538 .908

[JoeRyan33]

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Those stats are pretty hard to read in that format, but what are you trying to show? Hamilton's the best hitter of the three, and the numbers you just posted show that. All you can hold against Hamilton is small sample size, but he's clearly outperformed Sizemore.

Sizemore is a career .279 hitter, and only hit .268 last year. And he doesn't have anywhere close to the pop Hamilton has.

Hamilton is arguably a better fielder, shown by his superior range factor last year.

Sizemore gets a lot of hype, and has done for years. Good player, yes. Better than Hamilton? Not a chance.

[Double Deuce]

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So, I'd like to know if the ratings are all COMPLETELY numbers based, as Russell has said, why won't SCEA tell us what numbers they actually used?

This would also help IMMENSELY with creating/editing players, so we could know what numbers to give players to get the stats we'd like them to have.

SCEA, why not let us know how you got these ratings, if they're totally numbers based with no human touches?

[OSUFan_88]

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Those stats are pretty hard to read in that format, but what are you trying to show? Hamilton's the best hitter of the three, and the numbers you just posted show that. All you can hold against Hamilton is small sample size, but he's clearly outperformed Sizemore.

Sizemore is a career .279 hitter, and only hit .268 last year. And he doesn't have anywhere close to the pop Hamilton has.

Hamilton is arguably a better fielder, shown by his superior range factor last year.

Sizemore gets a lot of hype, and has done for years. Good player, yes. Better than Hamilton? Not a chance.

Since you can't bother to try and read the stats, allow me to for you.

Sizemore has been a 20-20 guy every year he's been a regular. I believe the only player to do that in his many seasons was A-Rod and maybe it was Willie Mays? He has two gold gloves, something that Hamilton may or may not be able to do.

Pop is really up for debate. Sizemore has a great bat, especially for a leadoff hitter, which he isn't. Sizemore is going to have a legit shot at 40-40 sometime soon, something Hamilton could dream of.

Sizemore IS the better overall player, Hamilton is probably the better pure hitter. To throw Granderson in there was hilarious, and saying he's better than Sizemore was a foolish statement.

[JoeRyan33]

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If Hamilton or Granderson were running around with Chief Wahoo on his hat, you'd argue they were better. I know the home town bias.

The stats are clear. Hamilton wins handily.

[JoeRyan33]

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I hope you didn't actually use Gold Gloves to form an argument. Bush league.

[OSUFan_88]

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If Hamilton or Granderson were running around with Chief Wahoo on his hat, you'd argue they were better. I know the home town bias.

The stats are clear. Hamilton wins handily.

No I wouldn't.

The fact is, Sizemore IS the better overall player.

Tell me this. Hamilton is the better hitter. Can you give me one other thing that Hamilton is better than Sizemore in? How about Granderson? Also, from Baseball Prospectus:

According to the 2009 Baseball Prospectus, Sizemore is only the third player in MLB history to establish single-season totals of at least 30 homers, 30 stolen bases, 50 doubles and 100 walks at some point in his career. The others were Bobby Abreu and Alex Rodriguez.

Sizemore has already notched at least 20 homers and 20 stolen bases in each of his full seasons. Last year he became just the 10th American League player to go 30-30. And beginning this year, people will realistically look for him to become just the fifth player all-time to go 40-40. Only Jose Canseco, Barry Bonds, A-Rod and Alfonso Soriano have done that.

[TeixeiraFanatic]

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No I wouldn't.

The fact is, Sizemore IS the better overall player.

Tell me this. Hamilton is the better hitter. Can you give me one other thing that Hamilton is better than Sizemore in? How about Granderson?

I like Hamilton but Sizemore is the better player here. No doubt about it. Oh by the way saying Hamilton has more pop is kinda ridiculous, yeah he is stronger but look where he plays. If Sizemore played in Texas he'd put those numbers up too.

[JoeRyan33]

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Please refer to the stats. They're there for a reason.

[OSUFan_88]

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Please refer to the stats. They're there for a reason.

So he is the better player because he is the better contact hitter.

Gotcha.

[JoeRyan33]

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You can use anecdotes all day...

Hamilton rakes at a higher clip, and plays better D. End of.

[Rob_NYY]

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There is no human touch to the ratings what so ever.

In the words of Joe Torre: "You can't base everything on stats and numbers. Remember, this game has a heartbeat."