Madden NFL 10: PRO-TAK - What's NOT There Yet...

[rsoxguy12]

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Thanks for the update Ian.

[adembroski]

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Lol, what cheap shots! Clearly you're a Madden fanboy, because you're uneducated in any game non-Madden.

That was a really lame response, man.

[icomb1ne]

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@Moostache

Backbreaker is football from the FUTURE!!!

That's why the ball is glowing and they wear funky uniforms. I would know, I've been to the future and the ball definitely glows.

On the other hand, the tackles in my opinion still look over the top like the ball carrier is just a ragdoll. In the future, that's not sim.

[hmoob]

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That was a really lame response, man.

It's ******** what he posted. It's like some people here have a hate for BB. We should be neutral towards them, give em' a chance, it's their first crack at it. If we all wanted a good football game, should it matter who makes it? We should be optimistic and encourage all football games to be good so we have more choices. When fanboyism gets in the way of that, problems ensue.

Fanboys act like if Madden or EA does well, they're going to get a piece of the pie.

[TheCreep]

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What is this thing about EA fanboys. I honestly have not run across any Madden fanboys in these forums at all. I mean, I could be missing something, but most of the regulars here , will tell you that 2k still has the upper hand and that Madden is ok but needs some additions.

Honestly, the fanboys seem to be more of the 2k type. Poke around in the 2k forum and you'll see someone randomly hating on Madden, there are no Madden fanboys here that just randomly hate on 2k. You have the game twisted up man. The die hard 2kers are the worst, period, in regards to os forums. i dont know about any other forums.

[icomb1ne]

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Fanboys act like if Madden or EA does well, they're going to get a piece of the pie.

Our "piece of the pie" will be getting to play a great sim style football game that will have tons of replay value which is really all we want.

That's why we want to help Ian n' Co to succeed so much.

[maddenps2]

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@Moostache

Backbreaker is football from the FUTURE!!!

That's why the ball is glowing and they wear funky uniforms. I would know, I've been to the future and the ball definitely glows.

On the other hand, the tackles in my opinion some tackles still look over the top like the ball carrier is just a ragdoll. In the future, that's not sim.

Well Know that EA owns all NFL rights, other developers have very little to work with. APF tried a realistic approach and look what happend to that game.

Gamers aren't going buy products that don't have the NFL name on them, a good example was APF.

I'd be careful how much you bash other football games because Madden might be the only NFL game you'll see for the rest of your life.

Atleast back-breaker is trying something truly next-gen with there tackling system instead of the out-dated motion-capture suction tackles found in madden.

It's nice to finally see madden trying a new tackling approach, hopefully the new tackling system actually seems like a next-gen product. Though I think Maddens new tacking system still mainly consists of pre-canned tackles.

It will see which system turns out to be more innovated and realistic overall. Even if back-breaker might go for more dramatic tackles, that doesn't mean that it's tackle system can't be more realistic than maddens. There is a difference between overall tackle realism and the type of tackles that actually occur.

And for laughing or criticizing what you have seen out of Backbreaker, consider it's a new next-gen football contender. Consider the fact that Madden has had 5 years on next gen. What in those 5 years has it shown to truly define it's tackle system and or other aspects in comparison to last gen madden and other nfl products such as Nfl2k5.

[SteelerSpartan]

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Good stuff Ian. I won't be worrying too much unless I see major problems from E3.

[adembroski]

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It's ******** what he posted. It's like some people here have a hate for BB. We should be neutral towards them, give em' a chance, it's their first crack at it. If we all wanted a good football game, should it matter who makes it? We should be optimistic and encourage all football games to be good so we have more choices. When fanboyism gets in the way of that, problems ensue.

Fanboys act like if Madden or EA does well, they're going to get a piece of the pie.

If Madden had a glowing ball, it'd be ripped on just as quickly and probably far more harshly. There wouldn't be anybody here defending it. I've noticed a lot more people here claiming BackBreaker's **** don't stink than I have Madden. We're supposed to tear alpha build trailers played on rookie and AI tuned down to pieces, but BackBreaker's flaws are off limits? C'mon, man, we only need one standard here.

What's worse is, whether every tackle is a flying one or not, it's becoming more and more apparent with each little bit of info we get on BackBreaker that it is not the game we are looking for as sim gamers. It may well end up being ground breaking and an all around amazing game... remains to be seen... but it is not going to be the same kind of game Madden 10 is.

There are two types of sports games in any sport... your core sim games, and your diversionary games. Blitz, The Bigs, NBA Street, things along those lines are diversionary. They are what simmers play when they don't feel like thinking their way through a game and just wanna lay back and mess around. It's becoming very apparent that, while it probably wont be full-on Arcade like Blitz, BackBreaker is gonna be diversionary... it's not a pure-sim.

[adembroski]

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Our "piece of the pie" will be getting to play a great sim style football game that will have tons of replay value which is really all we want.

That's why we want to help Ian n' Co to succeed so much.

This.

[FootballDetails]

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This.

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[TiTaNx10xViNcE]

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Great to hear that all of this will be addressed.

Cant wait!!

[hmoob]

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If Madden had a glowing ball, it'd be ripped on just as quickly and probably far more harshly. There wouldn't be anybody here defending it. I've noticed a lot more people here claiming BackBreaker's **** don't stink than I have Madden. We're supposed to tear alpha build trailers played on rookie and AI tuned down to pieces, but BackBreaker's flaws are off limits? C'mon, man, we only need one standard here.

Why should we have one standard? BB should go through the same sh*t as Madden because.....exactly.

Madden has had 5 tries, it's up to them to prove themselves. We should except the same as always. They should wow us.

As for BB, we basically know nothing about it, except that it has Euphoria and it looks futuristic. It's their first crack at a football game, and they're taking chances trying to innovate the sport. We should be anything but negative about BB, they're giving us next-gen technology. Take off the blinders, man. It's basically impossible to have an negative opinion/perception of BB unless you brown-nose Madden devs on a daily basis.

[xX CASCABEL Xx]

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If Madden had a glowing ball, it'd be ripped on just as quickly and probably far more harshly. There wouldn't be anybody here defending it. I've noticed a lot more people here claiming BackBreaker's **** don't stink than I have Madden. We're supposed to tear alpha build trailers played on rookie and AI tuned down to pieces, but BackBreaker's flaws are off limits? C'mon, man, we only need one standard here.

What's worse is, whether every tackle is a flying one or not, it's becoming more and more apparent with each little bit of info we get on BackBreaker that it is not the game we are looking for as sim gamers. It may well end up being ground breaking and an all around amazing game... remains to be seen... but it is not going to be the same kind of game Madden 10 is.

There are two types of sports games in any sport... your core sim games, and your diversionary games. Blitz, The Bigs, NBA Street, things along those lines are diversionary. They are what simmers play when they don't feel like thinking their way through a game and just wanna lay back and mess around. It's becoming very apparent that, while it probably wont be full-on Arcade like Blitz, BackBreaker is gonna be diversionary... it's not a pure-sim.

Agree, yet BB is the best thing since spaghetti and meat balls, and not one person has played a game as of today...

[maddenps2]

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If Madden had a glowing ball, it'd be ripped on just as quickly and probably far more harshly. There wouldn't be anybody here defending it. I've noticed a lot more people here claiming BackBreaker's **** don't stink than I have Madden. We're supposed to tear alpha build trailers played on rookie and AI tuned down to pieces, but BackBreaker's flaws are off limits? C'mon, man, we only need one standard here.

And why do you think backbreaker has to resort to a glowing ball. Have you ever thought of the fact that They do not have an option at making a 100% realistic football game when they don't have the NFL license to back it up.

The fact is, a realistic, non-NFL licensed football games aren't going sell. Look at happened to APF, it lasted one year. Smart developers can't design a product that is going fail, so based on their restrictions, the developers at back-breaker have make product adjustments.

Atleast they have the guts and knowledge to try something innovative with the tackling system, which is a huge part of a football game.

And again, it seems you are high on madden, which isn't a bad thing.

But can you tell me what Madden has Done with it's exclusive license on the next gen systems for 5 YEARS that has you so up in arms and supporting madden?

Has madden defined what next-gen football should be to you?

Well I"m sure you'll be pleased, because backbreaker will probably fail to sell. At least backbreaker is trying to do something next-gen and or innovative with it's tackling system.

And who cares if backbreaker isn't 100% realistic, it's not like madden has been. Some of my favorite non-madden football games where ones that had a arcade theme, NFL blitz was awesome imo. Nba jam was an awesome arcade style basketball game. We will never have a chance to see those products again, and even if we do, i'm sure they will be short lived, just like APF and Blitz.