Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[NovaStar]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

Well, yes. It's a team game afterall. Very few QBs can carry a bad team. Favre was one. Vick, and McNabb are two others. But that is because they could do amazing things on their own. Manning and Brady can't make plays on their own. They rely on the system to help them.

So yes, they would suck without very talented teams around them.



For someone advocating statistical analysis, you don't seem to have done any. Staubach and Bradshaw played before the 1978 rule changes. They were very good, but statistically don't compare to today's QBs. That's because the rules did not allow them and their recievers free reign. They had to earn that football, it wasn't free like it is today.

Furthermore, both had to make plays because cheating was not allowed. You couldn't throw the ball at the HB's feet to avoid a hit (naked cowardice).




You mean Culpepper to Moss? I remember that combo. IT WAS EXPLOSIVE. Thanks for making my point for me! Those two were good for like 40 touchdowns in a season, and battled with Manning for the record.

For the record. There are different types of analysis, legal, statistical, military, etc... I simply asked you a question based upon "your' analysis. I put forth no statistical analysis of my own. I simply made an observation based upon what you were saying.

What you consider cheating, seems to be game evolution designed to protect qb's and players in general. Based upon my observational analysis, what the NFL has done in that regard seems to be quite sound.

Lastly, Culpepper and Moss battled Manning for the record. Brady and Moss took the record. What point were you attempting to make?

[NovaStar]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

Um....

YEP!
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There seems to be an error message associated with this video, I can't see it. Much like the error in your argument. Brady had three rings and much success before Moss and with Moss, Culpepper not so much.

[djp34]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

Um....

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LOL another ridiculous argument moss doesnt make everyone a hof Brady was fine without moss. How many hof type rec did brady have from 2001-2006 he had good stats those yrs sooo.. lol

[shotgun styles]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

Lastly, Culpepper and Moss battled Manning for the record. Brady and Moss took the record. What point were you attempting to make?

Now I KNOW you didn't go there. Do we REALLY need to talk about Brady's fake record? Do we REALLY need to get into him going 5 wide late in the 4th quarter against bad teams with a 35 point lead?

They broke the record because it was all they cared about. Sportsmanship be damned. The ran up the score on weak teams in a league where defenses play with one hand tied behind their backs. That 50 TD record is an embarrassment to the NFL. It was all about Bellicheck trying to get back at the media for catching him cheating.

[shotgun styles]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

There seems to be an error message associated with this video, I can't see it. Much like the error in your argument. Brady had three rings and much success before Moss and with Moss, Culpepper not so much.

Well now you're changing the argument. Brady has NOT won a SB with Moss, he was statistically successful though.

There is a difference between being statistically successful and winning. Tom was a winner when he played the game-manager role. Now that he wants to be the stat king, he's not winning rings.

Perhaps he should go back to letting his kicker win games and then taking credit after the fact...

[KensaiKatai]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

Now I KNOW you didn't go there. Do we REALLY need to talk about Brady's fake record? Do we REALLY need to get into him going 5 wide late in the 4th quarter against bad teams with a 35 point lead?

They broke the record because it was all they cared about. Sportsmanship be damned. The ran up the score on weak teams in a league where defenses play with one hand tied behind their backs. That 50 TD record is an embarrassment to the NFL. It was all about Bellicheck trying to get back at the media for catching him cheating.

shotgun i agree with pretty much everything you've said throughout this thread. keep it up, let em know!

[pgtrain42]

shotgun the colts did the same thing and noone said anything then, people only got pissed cause they were the patriots. Sportsmanship be damned, if you want to be respected as a team play your best till the whistle blows. If you suck, that isn't the other team's fault.

[djp34]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

shotgun i agree with pretty much everything you've said throughout this thread. keep it up, let em know!

Haha another *****

[pgtrain42]

And saying Favre, Roethlisberger, and McNabb are better game breakers than Brady and Manning? Are you high? The only way they break the game is with A. Favre's idiotic picks (see week 17 against the Dolphins) B. Roethlisberger holding the ball too long because he's an indecisive QB and getting sacked 50 times, and C. McNabb throwing the ball in the dirt on 3rd downs.

Saying Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl on his own is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. He probably had the worst performance of all-time by any QB in a Superbowl in Superbowl 40, and was pretty bad in the last Superbowl until that last drive. They wouldn't have even had a chance if not for that 99 yard fumble return by Harrison.

[Blkcanes]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

Only problem I have with these rating is Nnamdi is not known to be fast CB 94 speed is really fast even for him he was a safety at Cal and ran like one that is what makes him more amazing he is not as fast as Madden makes him but he is still able to shut down speedy Wr. In Madden must he have the speed to be as good as he is ?

[pgtrain42]

Also didn't they say they were going to dramatically change the speed ratings? They all seem pretty much the same to me.

[djp34]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

Also didn't they say they were going to dramatically change the speed ratings? They all seem pretty much the same to me.

They did tweak the speed ratings but they did more with the overall speed of the game itself to make the speed ratings more realistic.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

People want to give all the credit for the success Brady and Manning have had to their systems, but IMO Big Ben is a product of his system. Compare his stats to Joe Flacco (a rookie). Almost identical and the Ravens were 1 game away from the bowl themselves. Why is that? They play in an almost identical system. Is any one saying Flacco is top 5 material?

You have to use some statisical analysis to evaluate qbs, but I agree it doesnt have to be everything. Montana didnt rewrite the record books, but he wasnt getting sacked, fumbling and throwing a equal number of picks and tds either.

[pgtrain42]

exactly kjcheezhead

[cowboyscowboys]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

So basically he runs a 4.7, and that is not fast for a receiving TE. There are 4.4 and 4.5 TEs in this league. 4.7 is getting into DT territory.

Give me a break bro, the odd Vernon Davis freak type TE runs like that. Look at the combine #'s from this year and tell me what a 4.5,4.6,4.7 40 from a TE got for a speed rating, and these are unproven players. Not 5 time pro bowlers, also I am not saying all 4.6,4.7 40's by TE's auotmatically make them fast I just think for a guy who has been the 2nd best pass catching TE over the last 4 years would be more of a threat in the game. Instead he is rated like the 8th best receiving TE with good blocking stats, as for the blocking stats lower them and make him a threat.