Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

[hatisback]

From previous thread..........

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...system-16.html

Now that we have tried out Madden and have seen some more information from the devs at backbreaker, what do you think is better? Euphoria engine or the Pro Tak system?

My response is still the same. I will take physics based tackling over canned animations anyday.

[Drukman]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

A perfected physics based tackling engine is obviously better than a perfected canned animation system. That is not the question. The question is how good is backbreakers tackling system and will it take a big enough cut out of Madden sales to warrant EA trying to switch to a physics system.

[Glorious Arc]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Have you played BB yet? I only ask because how can you compare products that you have yet to see in action yourself?

In theory, yes BB has the potential to be vastly superior to Madden. It could even be the future of all sports gaming. Sadly, we will have to wait to find out how good it really will be

[Exonerated]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Backbreaker? Is this 2006?

[roadman]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

EA isn't sold on Euphoria, nothing to get your hopes up about.

[JMD]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tac Engine Revisited

From previous thread..........

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...system-16.html

Now that we have tried out Madden and have seen some more information from the devs at backbreaker, what do you think is better? Euphoria engine or the Pro Tak system?

My response is still the same. I will take physics based tackling over canned animations anyday.

Kind of hard to make an informed decision at this point. We still haven't played any type of Backbreaker game yet so who's to say how well Euphoria will or will not work. Personally I think they are having issues making it work in a football game, it's been over two years since the game was announced and we have not seen any real 11 on 11 game play footage yet. At this point my money is on Backbreaker never seeing the light of day.

[dfos81]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Ian has mentioned that we would lose the ability to struggle for yards.
He says every hit will seem like a missle launch.
Unless he's played the game, how would he know?

I would like both Euphoria and Pro-Tak.

I think the truth is there is only 1 gaming system out right now(hint it has a cell processor) that would be able to intergrate BOTH Euphoria and Pro-Tak.
Imo until co's like EA stop porting games over to get the most sales, we will be playing watered down versions of simulation games. Again, just mho.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(microprocessor)
Heck, they plan on using it for supercomputing in space.

[Valdarez]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Why would you lose the ability to struggle for additional yards? If anything what you'd see in Backbreaker would be realistic based on the weight / physics of the players instead of manufactured like ProTak which results in some really unrealistic results at time (such as an HB breaking out of 6 guys holding on to him).

[Phobia]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Why would you lose the ability to struggle for additional yards? If anything what you'd see in Backbreaker would be realistic based on the weight / physics of the players instead of manufactured like ProTak which results in some really unrealistic results at time (such as an HB breaking out of 6 guys holding on to him).

Yea the video for BB shows guys getting hit and continue to break tackles and run

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Has anyone tried the iphone app? It's using the euphoria engine as well isn't it? I know it's not a full game, but it should show off the tackling somewhat. Just asking, I dont have one myelf.

I'm not a fan of protaks fighting for more yards to be honest. It was way overdone. I've seen wrs catch a screen and right away break a dlineman tackle, go 5 yards, break a lb tackle, 3 more yards break safety and db protak moment and then go for 6. For a company going sim, moments like that scream arcade.

[briax87]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Speaking of Backbreaker, Rob_donald's twitter...

http://twitter.com/Rob_Donald

"The news is out... 505 Games are publishing Backbreaker... out in Spring 2010... IT'S ON!"

Come spring you will be able to compare both on xbox and ps3

[Tito78]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Obviously, a physics based system that functions as it's supposed to is superior to an animation based system. We don't know if backbreaker can pull it off though. If they do, the gameplay will blow madden or any other game out of the water. They just have to make it happen. If Backbreaker ever came out, it should put every football or sports game ever created to shame. It's been in developement for what, three years ? Gameplay wise, not sales wise, Madden with a much shorter development cycle wouldn't stand a chance.

[Pared]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Please keep comparisons like this in the Football (Other) forum.

Thanks.

[Tito78]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

Speaking of Backbreaker, Rob_donald's twitter...

http://twitter.com/Rob_Donald

"The news is out... 505 Games are publishing Backbreaker... out in Spring 2010... IT'S ON!"

Come spring you will be able to compare both on xbox and ps3

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[TheWatcher]

Re: Euphoria vs Pro Tack Tackling Revisited

You still need standard mocaps to make this look like football because there are some movements that have to be very deliberate. You cannot completely leave this up to randomization, and the vids we've seen so far show us quite a few things that are over-the-top despite the refusal of the early bandwagoners to accept it.

Also, until real players are used in some way beyond mocap and calculated physics (which I think will happen sooner rather than later) it's never going to entirely satisfy what people are hoping for.

No matter what, the game still has to play well, and none of us know how it plays yet. Could be great, could be garbage. I just don't understand a lot of the premature proclamations of greatness. We haven't even seen unedited 11-on-11 gameplay yet... I'd say that makes it too early to declare it king.