Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

[KBLover]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Plus the debate about simming is faster than playing a game or two is BS. It takes 30 to 45 mins to play a quick game. To sim a season and record stats and post it here takes that long or longer.

But it takes more than one game to really get the feel of gameplay, imo. Really, probably need to pick one thing and focus on that all game or two or three, then look at something else and focus on watching it for a few games, etc. Different teams, sliders, etc.

We know how random the game can be - if you get a game where the QB still manages to get the ball off and then come here saying "they didn't fix it" when you really just got "one of those games", it's not much more accurate of an impression, imo.

[CWSapp757]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Phobia, I feel what you are saying. However, (and I am only speaking for myself here) I need to know how bad this stats issue is because if it is as F'd up as everyone says it is, gameplay is irrelevant because I won't play the game anymore. May sound silly, but all I play in sports games are franchise modes and if the stats aren't at least close to realistic, the game isn't even worth owning in my opinion.

[Jukeman]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Maybe I am the strange one here. But when I get a patch I jump in and play a game to notice how different it plays. I have many many months of checking out the sim stats. I can live with sim stats that are off a little. But I can't live with gameplay that sucks.

Plus the debate about simming is faster than playing a game or two is BS. It takes 30 to 45 mins to play a quick game. To sim a season and record stats and post it here takes that long or longer.

So while the sim stat guys might not give a crap about gameplay and want madden to be like Headcoach that is fine. But don't waste a whole impression thread of just stats. Guys are coming here and having to wade through pages and pages and pages of just sim stat talk.

Maybe I am strange

Does the stat guys complain on release day when every post is about gameplay impressions and not one post is about franchise/stats impressions?

LOL

[countryboy]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

All this slider talk. This is why I'm not a fan of the user being forced to tune the game. The game should be tuned for optimal performance out of the box. Its embarrasing that people have to join a message forum to get the game to play correctly.
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I personally am not the type to spend a month testing and calibrating a game before I can enjoy it. I will always believe that the sloders are being used as a cop out for EA instead of spending the effort to program the game properly.

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Yep...its not like people aren't on this community site bouncing ideas off each other on how to get any other sports games to play "correctly" by adjusting sliders.

[jeremym480]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Maybe I am the strange one here. But when I get a patch I jump in and play a game to notice how different it plays. I have many many months of checking out the sim stats. I can live with sim stats that are off a little. But I can't live with gameplay that sucks.

Plus the debate about simming is faster than playing a game or two is BS. It takes 30 to 45 mins to play a quick game. To sim a season and record stats and post it here takes that long or longer.

So while the sim stat guys might not give a crap about gameplay and want madden to be like Headcoach that is fine. But don't waste a whole impression thread of just stats. Guys are coming here and having to wade through pages and pages and pages of just sim stat talk.

Maybe I am strange

I don't think your strange at all. Hell, I'd rather great game play over sim stats any day. I'm just saying the patch has a lot to do with sim stats so, guys wanting to leave their impressions is relevant to the thread whether you care about it or not.

Now, has there been a little to many post on sim stats? Maybe.... But, I for one took something from reading it because I trust Gator and I won't have to do those same thing's myself. Therefore, I appreciate his work and didn't mind reading through this thread.

Anyways, that's my last post on this subject because I don't want other's to have to comb through here and go through off topic post about game play vs. sim stats-- when clearly both should be here.

[Phobia]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

I don't think your strange at all. Hell, I'd rather great game play over sim stats any day. I'm just saying the patch has a lot to do with sim stats so, guys wanting to leave their impressions is relevant to the thread whether you care about it or not.

Now, has there been a little to many post on sim stats? Maybe.... But, I for one took something from reading it because I trust Gator and I won't have to do those same thing's myself. Therefore, I appreciate his work and didn't mind reading through this thread.

Anyways, that's my last post on this subject because I don't want other's to have to comb through here and go through off topic post about game play vs. sim stats-- when clearly both should be here.

Completely understand but just so as much as the gameplay itself is random enough. So is simming stats. One year A.P. is running for 6.2 avg, next 4.7 next blah blah blah.

My point is that sim stats are just as random but we can tell pretty quickly if the linebackers and corners are still sitting to deep. If the corners still have eyes in back their heads and so on.

Sim stats will NEVER be perfect. To many variables. Plus people cry "broken" all the time, when a sim stat is off by a few numbers. Then real life it happens and it is like "ohhh maybe it is not so far off".

Basically the jist of what I am saying is both are just as random and not everything should be cried so quickly that it is broken. Sim stats are to random to do that so quickly. But you can tell instantly if a player is in the correct "football" position.

[Phobia]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Does the stat guys complain on release day when every post is about gameplay impressions and not one post is about franchise/stats impressions?

LOL

There is normally a whole thread on stat issues

[crob8822]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Hello guys I just downloaded the patch, decided to play a game between the washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys.
The first thing I noticed was that the defensive lineman were shedding their blocks a little quicker.
But I was alarmed with washingtons first play that was a 78 yard pass from Campbell to S. Moss, I was puzzled how wide open he was but noticed that he shedded a couple of tackles to score, I began to think that maybe the patch will cause the game to become a scoring machine.
The 2nd thing I noticed is that the defensive backs dive at the ball more which is good, I noticed that when the quarterback now gets rid of the ball he is throwing to an open receiver or one that is covered but there is a little seperation.
The replays are a little more frequent, I finally saw DeMarcus Ware coming off his blocks quicker and was adding pressure, he did not get to the quarterback but was causing him to get rid of the ball quicker.
screen passes were setting up like they do in real life and are effective and the defense persuit angles are getting there to stop them.
Running the ball was difficult but realistic.
I saw Washington quarterback stepped up in the pocket and took off running because everyone was covered and picked up 11 yards.
Here are the stats from the game. I am going to sim a whole season and take a look at the stats. It will take some time and several game to get a complete analogy regarding the quality of the patch.

Washington 10 0 10 0 20
Dallas 0 3 7 17 27
1 2 3 4 F


Wash Dal
Total offense 331 419
Rushing yards 81 51
Passing Yards 250 368
First Downs 10 12
Punt Return 11 35
Kick Return 129 114
Total Yards 471 568
Turnovers 1 2
3rd Down con. 5-17 7-14
4th Down con. 1-2 0-0
2-point con. 0-0 0-0
Redzone % 3-3 2-2
Redzone TD 1 1
Redzone FG 2 1
Penalties 1-10 0-0
Possesion time 33:24 26:36


Player stats
Passing
Wash: J. Cambell 19-32-262-2-1
Dal : T. Romo 22-29-373-3-0

Rushing
Wash
C. Portis 23-60 2.6 avg. 0 TD
J.Cambell 2-11 5.5 avg 0 TD
M.Sellers 1-11 11.0 avg 0 TD
L.Betts 1-(-1) -1.0 avg 0 TD

Dal
M. Barber 26-53 2.0 avg 0 TD
T. Romo 2-(-4) -4.0 avg 0 TD
F. Jones 1-2 2.0 avg 0 TD


Receiving
Wash.
S. Moss 5-144-1
F. Davis 4-44-1
D. Thomas 3-23-0
C. Portis 2-25-0
L. Betts 2-10-0
A Randle El 1-5-0
T. Yoder 1-4-0
M. Kelly 1-7-0

Dal.
M. Austin 4-119-1
J. Whitten 4-100-1
F. Jones 4-48-1
P. Crayton 3-56-0
M. Barber 3-20-0
D. Anderson 2-9-0
R. Williams 1-15-0
M. Bennet 1-6-0

[marcus82]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Yep...its not like people aren't on this community site bouncing ideas off each other on how to get any other sports games to play "correctly" by adjusting sliders.

ok you commented on my brief vent. Fact: Sliders will not fix inaccurate programming.

You ignored my relevant question: Has man align (which is a feature set described in the official Madden 10 game literature) been fixed with patch #2??? Without it, man coverage in this game is an exercise in futility. I'll check when i get home and repost.

[brza37]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

While the rushing averages are a bit crazy, a lot of teams come out just fine. Steve Slaton had over 1,000 yards but averaged about 3.5/carry for instance. Many others like that but around the 4-4.5 range.

One other problem which may be causing high averages is the number of 20+ carries. Top 5:

32
26
22
21
20

Not sure how real life NFL compares, but perhaps that is too high?

yeah thats way too high. Here are the top 5 for the past couple years NFL stats for 20+ yard carries:
2008 - 20, 15, 13, 13, 12
2007 - 13, 12, 11, 11, 11
2006 - 15, 12, 12, 11, 11

And so far this year Chris Johnson has 19. And going all the way back to 1999 the highest total ever has been Adrian Peterson's 20 last year.

I just don't understand how they let this get in the final patch. I mean Josh Looman acknowledged the fact that increasing backup ypc would make the starters' ypc and totals insanely high. I thought he left off by saying he would leave the ypc alone so it wouldn't break the rushing game on the high end.

[QB1]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

Can anyone who has played the game comment on the Oline blocking? Has it been improved at all. I remeber the FB missing blocks contantly before the patch. Anyone seeing any improvement? Does the Oline continue to do any quirky animations when pass blocking?

Thanks

[bengtc]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

More stat impressions please, could we have someone display defensive statistics i.e. tackles. And for the guy complaining about gameplay impressions, people will post them when they are ready, its a forum and you can't expect people to do what you want. All these people posting stat impressions think that is a bigger deal than gameplay and you can't tell them to check something they don't care about as much just for you. Plus the patch hasn't been out long enough for people to post educated gameplay impressions.

[countryboy]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

You ignored my relevant question: Has man align (which is a feature set described in the official Madden 10 game literature) been fixed with patch #2??? Without it, man coverage in this game is an exercise in futility. I'll check when i get home and repost.

didn't ignore your relevant question. I didn't respond to it because I don't have an answer to the question as I have yet to the play the game after patch #2.

Oh and I didn't ignore your response about inaccurate programming. Responding to that comment does nothing but continue to take this thread completely off topic.

[bengtc]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

ok you commented on my brief vent. Fact: Sliders will not fix inaccurate programming.

You ignored my relevant question: Has man align (which is a feature set described in the official Madden 10 game literature) been fixed with patch #2??? Without it, man coverage in this game is an exercise in futility. I'll check when i get home and repost.

I hope that this is fixed! I am sick of a te getting open right away because a lb is lined up too far away.

[marcus82]

Re: Madden NFL 10 Patch #2 Available, Impressions Here (PS3)

didn't ignore your relevant question. I didn't respond to it because I don't have an answer to the question as I have yet to the play the game after patch #2.

Oh and I didn't ignore your response about inaccurate programming. Responding to that comment does nothing but continue to take this thread completely off topic.

agreed. exactly the point i was making to you.