Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

**Afrikan** · 02-12-2010, 04:27 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Originally posted by Pantherbeast

I am not trying to beat a dead horse here. But I am still be quit honest to tell you the truth. This to me still looks like another blitz football game with a better engine. This game might be good with the new engine and all. But to me is still spells just another blitz game period until I see the full game in action.

here, read up on the game....I think you'll be surprised...its nothing like Blitz

it might actually be one of the best simulations of the sport....

this gives you an idea of how you play the game...
Art of Control

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/854/854993p1.html

and here is a link to other interviews and articles explaining the game

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/958/958004_articles.html

**LingeringRegime** · 02-12-2010, 06:15 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Originally posted by Afrikan

here, read up on the game....I think you'll be surprised...its nothing like Blitz

it might actually be one of the best simulations of the sport....

this gives you an idea of how you play the game...
Art of Control

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/854/854993p1.html

and here is a link to other interviews and articles explaining the game
http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/958/958004_articles.html

Thanks so much for these links man. I am feening for some BB info.

**Evan_OS** · 02-12-2010, 07:04 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

I'm not sure if I will like the Camra idea, but I'll have too see when it comes out. Otherwise it sounds great!

**strawberryshortcake** · 02-13-2010, 10:41 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Originally posted by CodeBlueDude

I'm not sure if I will like the Camra idea, but I'll have too see when it comes out. Otherwise it sounds great!

The camera angle is growing on me, especially from the Quarterback (QB) position. The need to actually look "over the shoulders" of both OL & DL to scan for open receivers will make the offensive attack/scheme more difficult than traditional "skyview." Hopefully, judging whether the receiver is truly open will also be much more difficult. Hopefully, this added vision of difficulty decreases "arcade-type" offensive scores at will.

In NFL2K5, we sort of have already seen something along the lines of what Backbreaker wants to do, albeit in a first person perspective (and not 3<sup>rd</sup> person). Not backbreaker, but some resemblance.

NFL2K5 – First Person Point of View
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdpmB...eature=related
NFL2K4 – First Person Point of View

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ068W8KRzI

Short Version
I would like to see WR vs. DB line of scrimmage and down field interaction:

Back Pedaling
WR vs. DB interaction
Back Pedaling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vFIun1WYzo
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WR vs. DB interaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HD3AYThmqA
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Long Version<o></o>
I have yet to see WR vs. DB interactions (“battling for field position”) in footage. There are others (and will be named in a later post(s)), but here are two points I would like to see implemented (hopefully they’re in the works):

WR vs. DB line of scrimmage interaction, including bump & run coverage.
Back Pedaling by defensive backs, and other defenders

A) WR vs. DB Line of scrimmage interaction, including bump and run coverage
Anything remotely on par with this would be super, whether that be 50% plus or minus. I obviously don’t know how difficult this would be to implement.

WR vs. DB interaction (’08 Nike Training Camp: USC: WR vs. DB)<o></o>
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HD3AYThmqA
- (same video as the one in the "Short version" up top)
I would like to see DB keep tab on his assigned WR either through:
- “Head tracking” the WR whether it’s aimed at the head, shoulders, hips, feet, arms, or any part of the body to determine the intended direction of the WR.
- Feel out the WR simultaneously with his arm while head tracking both the quarterback (QB) / football.

The only remote preview of WR vs. DB interaction can be seen @2:13<o></o> (screenshots series right below if you don't want to watch the video again.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBuxT...eature=related<o></o>
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Obviously not the most impressive display of the bump & run or WR vs. DB line of scrimmage interaction either, but it’s a small taste of what we might expect to see. Improvements definitely need to be made. I would like to see improved footage in their next set of Developer’s Diary.

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B) Back Pedaling<o></o>
Back pedaling especially by defensive backs (DB), or any defenders.

Back Pedaling – APF2K5 (Deion Sanders coverage)<o></o>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vFIun1WYzo

This is the same one you saw up in the "short version." This needs to be in the game. The DB should also have the ability to quickly make a quick break, and adjust his forward and/or backward motion in any direction.

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If you think about it, if “back pedaling” is effectively implemented with DB, it can also carry over to the OL vs. DL interactions when the situation calls for it whether that be in an “extreme” or “modified” situation. Obviously, in a less agile manner.
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The “extreme” version would be when DL completely bull rushes the OL causing the entire OL to collapse, and when the OL completely rushes the DL causing the entire DL to collapses. The “modified” version would take place where the OL generates enough force/momentum to stand their ground. In the case of OL vs. DL interaction, “back pedaling” components would allow us to see “momentum” and “force” at work, as can be seen here in the very first play:
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Senior Bowl Practice – Lineman 1 on 1<o></o>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lao69rFaW9w

-OL has a “modified” back pedal motion. His upper body is still attempting to hold his ground. With proper “back pedal” and modified back pedal program coding, what we see in the above video might be possible, hopefully from an optimistic fan standpoint. What footages we have seen in Backbreaker, we haven’t really seen “push” from the defensive line (DL) or any “resistance” from the offensive line (OL), and vice versa. I want to see “STRENGTH” and “FORCE” implemented through “push” and “resistance.”

Step-over Technique<o></o>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TMwm8v5aww&feature=related

-Just the beginning part to illustrate “push” and “resistance” to show strength, force, momentum, resistance, etc.

My other post(s) in this thread:
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/2040717206-post68.html<o>
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...0-post112.html
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**lofeazy** · 02-13-2010, 11:13 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Great post strawberryshortcake.

**Afrikan** · 02-14-2010, 02:06 AM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

geez Strawberry.... are you part of the Official BackBreaker forum.....I wish you were around a couple of years ago, when the devs were communicating with the community...

**t11** · 02-14-2010, 01:01 PM

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I wouldn't bet on the game being that realistic if Madden can't even do it, and they have been around for years and years

**SageInfinite** · 02-14-2010, 01:41 PM

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Anybody know when the second Developer Diary is being released?

**t11** · 02-14-2010, 01:45 PM

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Most likely next friday.

**kjcheezhead** · 02-14-2010, 01:52 PM

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Great post Strawberry.

That Nike wr/db video really shows what db/wr should be like. It has examples of great coverage and examples of dbs getting beat.

This part of the game is really hard to grade off of these early videos. You have to take into account what level the game is on. If it is done correctly, we should see worse db coverage at the lower levels and better as you increase it. Where Madden goes wrong is the jostling looks the best on pro/rookie level and then the game gives the dbs "cheats" as you up the difficulty.

The other thing is the camera angle. People are used to the "god view" and can see open wrs with ease. With a camera view that lowers the vision, it could be more difficult. We all have heard the phrase about wrs being considered "open" at the pro level being "covered" at the college level. The developers may be trying to compensate for people's limited view. I hope this is the case because it means sliders/patches can tighten the coverage later on if the coverage design is good.

**Segagendude** · 02-15-2010, 01:33 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Call me crazy, but I'm curious about something-----

With the stadiums looking like they can hold 100,000+ fans, will it sound that way?

**Swingking77** · 02-15-2010, 03:16 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

I'm assuming so... The Devs said they wanted to make the game "feel" like you were on the feild... I can only guess that this means loud crowds. And from what the previews have shown, the stadium sounds, sound pretty great!

**michiganwolvs33** · 02-15-2010, 04:05 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Originally posted by Segagendude

Call me crazy, but I'm curious about something-----

With the stadiums looking like they can hold 100,000+ fans, will it sound that way?

They actually did a whole dev diary way back that was just over the sounds in the game.

**SageInfinite** · 02-15-2010, 04:26 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Originally posted by t11

Most likely next friday.

Thanx.

**Afrikan** · 02-15-2010, 07:04 PM

Re: Backbreaker Video: Developer Diary #1

Originally posted by Segagendude

Call me crazy, but I'm curious about something-----

With the stadiums looking like they can hold 100,000+ fans, will it sound that way?

here is the dev diary MichiganWolves was talking about..

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/855/855627p2.html

pretty interesting stuff....also I don't think those old stadiums which seemed to hold 200,000 fans will be used....maybe for their Championship game...but it looks like they went for a more realistic football setting now.

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