MLB '10: The Show Updated Rosters Available

**Pared** · 03-08-2010, 11:36 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Guys, please keep the roster stuff in the roster sub-forum. Thanks.

**wahoo138** · 03-08-2010, 11:36 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by thinkblue_09

As it stands now w/o my testing of the new rosters here are the potential problems with starting your Franchise assuming you decide to play it w/o workarounds and how it should be played by picking one team to control and build into a dynasty.

1. Computer proposes trades for your team, and if you are simming or not paying attention that trade could go through leaving you with new players and without others.

2. When August hits and players hit the trade waivers you can pick them up for free. They won't pull them back or ask for a trade, they just let them go for free. I've seen A. Gonzalez, J. Reyes on their as a couple of examples.

3. The trade logic was severely screwed up. I saw Albert Pujols traded twice in one year for prospects.

4. Tropicana Field sounds like it has a bug because you can't finish a game there it sounds like.

Other than that give it a try....

LOL at that. I haven't been paying too close attention because I was waiting for this roster thinking that the potential issue would be completely corrected and I could start my franchise. If all these issues are still there, then that mode is completely broken as far I'm concerned. I will just play Seasons and control all 30 teams to work around the issues that will inevitably come up there as well.

**bxgoods** · 03-08-2010, 11:37 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by Glenn33

IOf that's the case - what is the purpose of the potential rating then? If the player sis still doing well...the Contact/Power/Fielding ratings will all still be high. If it's intent is as you say - it would seem redundant no?

Potential rating in this game, also tells a players ceiling.
The problem before is that superstar players had a C potential rating, when their overall rating was of a A potential player.
If you raise the attributes of player above his potential ceiling, they will drop in ratings every year until their actual ratings match their potential rating.

**thinkblue_09** · 03-08-2010, 11:39 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by Lisa_Bonami

Thanks for the quick response....As you pointed out, It seems that the NEW Roster file with the adjusted Potential Ratings should address the AI's trade logic for All Star caliber players.....However, in regards to all the other things you mentioned above, would it be safe to say that they can be addressed in this next patch which I can always apply when it arrives? This way I can just start my franchise now...?

Also if I dont use this new Roster file today, and stick with the original Roster file (that also contains some of my user created players ) will the only impact be that All Star players like Jeter, Wright, Pujols, etc wont be worth much in trades because the CPU AI sees their low potential rating??........Are there other negative effects of using this roster?

And finally, Once these All Stars retire or start trickling out throughout the seasons on my Franchise, will the newer prospects be functioning fine in regards to their trade value or will this be an ongoing issue with the original roster files?

thanks again!

I ran a quick sim to see if the Roster update would help with trade logic..........It did not same bad trades being made. So with that in mind I would surmise that using your older roster file should work just fine. The new roster really had done nothing except fix some potential ratings and place some new players on their respective teams. Once the patch hits I have no idea how it will impact franchises already in the works, but let's say you can apply it to your franchise then the problems I listed above should be addressed; hopefully.

I don't know about the new prospects and the problems in future seasons of your franchise. The best thing to do would be to simulate like 5 seasons and take a look at the league. Right now the trade logic seems to be set up out of whack, and that's to say they value money and contract years remaing and potential higher than production. So they take A. Pujols who might be an A potential but is entering the final year of his contract and will be wanting a lot of money. So they ship him for some prospects who have a couple years remaining and require less salary but still have an A potential.

If in the future one of these prospects were to become an All-Star player and is asking for a lot of money heading into a contract year and there are still so many prospects with A potentials then I would fathom that the same problem would still apply.

Hope that answers your question, in a round about way lol.

**ocho cuatro** · 03-08-2010, 11:39 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by Majoniak

There is still 142 fake A players. The only thing that was addressed was the established players potential ratings. Figures...

They didn't fix this yet????

That's miserable. So every team has on average 4 elite pitchers in their minor league system.

**EnigmaNemesis** · 03-08-2010, 11:50 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by Padgoi

Anyone please help with this?

When logged into sports connect, there is an option now on a list that says "save online roster file" or something to that effect.

You have to manually do it. It does not pop up and ask you automatically like last year.

Also for the player potential discussions and age etc... I think potential has a lot more to do with AI trade logic and roster management than it does with how the player performs in game. The performance in game is based on stats.

Jeter is an A, because you know he is a Yankee for life, and it prevents him from ending up on a waiver wire or with another team.

**callmetaternuts** · 03-08-2010, 11:52 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

At work and can't check, but are player positions messed up? The most notable one was Jeter in CF. How will that affect games/franchises that we play? I dont want Jeter yanked in every game (I play as Rays, but still want realism)

**GoBucs09** · 03-08-2010, 11:55 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by ocho cuatro

They didn't fix this yet????

That's miserable. So every team has on average 4 elite pitchers in their minor league system.

Sounds like I'll be waiting for the "IF" patch. And if not then I might consider going back to 09

They still have time before April, I'll wait till then.

**wahoo138** · 03-08-2010, 11:57 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by thinkblue_09

I ran a quick sim to see if the Roster update would help with trade logic..........It did not same bad trades being made.

Hmm. You'd think the guys at SCEA would have the capability to try such an advanced testing system.

Originally posted by thinkblue_09

Right now the trade logic seems to be set up out of whack, and that's to say they value money and contract years remaing and potential higher than production. So they take A. Pujols who might be an A potential but is entering the final year of his contract and will be wanting a lot of money. So they ship him for some prospects who have a couple years remaining and require less salary but still have an A potential.

I wonder if turning "ignore budgets" on would have any effect on this?

Either way, I don't want to get involved with a franchise mode that has all these extra "A" potential players hovering in the minor leagues. It doesn't take a genius to imagine how unrecognizable your league will be in a few years.

As I said previously, it looks like single Season mode with user control on all 30 teams is the only way you are going to get a realistic simulation of an extended MLB experience in this game as it stands.

I'm wondering if it's even worth Knight and those guys bothering with all the minor leaguers this year. If these issues (the minor league player potential and trade logic) don't get corrected it's not going to matter if there are prospects or not. I'll just be playing some version of the 2010 season perpetually.

**TheRock88** · 03-08-2010, 11:59 AM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by callmetaternuts

At work and can't check, but are player positions messed up? The most notable one was Jeter in CF. How will that affect games/franchises that we play? I dont want Jeter yanked in every game (I play as Rays, but still want realism)

Yes, they're still messed up. Just edit the positions from the roster menu before going into a franchise and they should stick.

**ocho cuatro** · 03-08-2010, 12:01 PM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by GoBucs09

Sounds like I'll be waiting for the "IF" patch. And if not then I might consider going back to 09

They still have time before April, I'll wait till then.

To be clear, we don't need a patch to address the potential issue.

They simply could have fixed the rosters for today's update by giving more of the current players an A potential, and leaving around 25 or so in the minors as the top prospects. That would solved a lot of the trade issues.

So maybe this will get fixed next week. I'm just a little disappointed because I LOVE this game so much, and I wanted to get started on my franchise this week.

**thinkblue_09** · 03-08-2010, 12:04 PM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by TheRock88

Yes, they're still messed up. Just edit the positions from the roster menu before going into a franchise and they should stick.

I don't see the player position errors. For me Jeter is at SS and I simed a little to see if that changes and he's still at SS in June.

**aga11ah** · 03-08-2010, 12:06 PM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

can someone upload it?

**HokieB** · 03-08-2010, 12:06 PM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Don't know if Potential had anything to do with it or not, but can someone check to see if the lineups still get all screwed up after Spring Training?

For instance, see if Rollins is batting 6th for the Phillies.

**wahoo138** · 03-08-2010, 12:07 PM

Re: New Rosters Out!!!!

Originally posted by ocho cuatro

To be clear, we don't need a patch to address the potential issue.

They simply could have fixed the rosters for today's update by giving more of the current players an A potential, and leaving around 25 or so in the minors as the top prospects. That would solved a lot of the trade issues.

So maybe this will get fixed next week. I'm just a little disappointed because I LOVE this game so much, and I wanted to get started on my franchise this week.

That's basically where I'm at too here. I'm venting a little bit, but not angry per se. I'd like someone to tell me that my concerns aren't really valid and that multiple seasons can be run realistically with this the way it is.

I just don't understand why they couldn't have made sure they got this potential thing fixed correctly with this roster. They've know about the issue for 5 days or so. We're not talking about a monumental task. It's as if they did just enough to get by instead of doing it RIGHT, which is out of character for this group.

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