NY Yankees Pitching Edits

[Melanconfan]

Re: NY Yankees Pitching Edits

The velocities you have for Hughes are a bit high. He's not a consistent 94-95 guy as a starter. Look

That's from the seven starts he made in April and May last year. He was:

4-seam: 92.2
Curve: 76.4
Cutter: 88.1 (plus 32 that registered as sliders at 87.2)
Change-up: 83.3 (only 9)

So in game, I'd give him
4-seam: 92
Curveball: 76
Cutter: 88

Hard to say on the change-up since he showed it so little last year and I believe reports this spring had him 79-81 or so. I'd still give him a circle-change since that's the grip he's most comfortable with right now and he'll almost have to use it. Not sure on velocity though.

[Erick]

Re: NY Yankees Pitching Edits

The velocities you have for Hughes are a bit high. He's not a consistent 94-95 guy as a starter. Look

That's from the seven starts he made in April and May last year. He was:

4-seam: 92.2
Curve: 76.4
Cutter: 88.1 (plus 32 that registered as sliders at 87.2)
Change-up: 83.3 (only 9)

So in game, I'd give him
4-seam: 92
Curveball: 76
Cutter: 88

Hard to say on the change-up since he showed it so little last year and I believe reports this spring had him 79-81 or so. I'd still give him a circle-change since that's the grip he's most comfortable with right now and he'll almost have to use it. Not sure on velocity though.

I agree, as a starter, Hughes tops out at 95. He will usually hover around 91-92.
If he is used as a setup man then Hughes would be throwing 95 at a more consistent rate.

His Curve sits between 74-78.
His Cutter really looks like a slider at times as it disappears inside to lefties. Its sits around what you stated - 88.

Also he would probably be one of the few pitchers who would register for the 4-seamer pitch as his fastball is very straight.

[Yanks22]

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good stuff, can you guys post a more updated list of their pitches/velocities and their attributes for each pitch for each pitcher?

[ElroyJetson]

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Ok so I did a little research and I think I understand how V-movement on pitchfx. Here's an example using three pitchers who feature a sinker (these numbers were taken from fangraphs.com).

Brandon Webb: Drops on average 9.3 in.
Derek Lowe: Drops on average 9.7 in.
Javier Vazquez: Drops on average 8.9 in.

These are all on a 3-year average. Now the question is, how do we translate this to the game? It'd be nice if we could just give Webb a 93 for break on his sinker, Lowe a 97, and Vazquez but that's not going to work...lol

What are the current breaks at for the pitchers above breaking balls?

[23Rampage23]

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AJ Burnett throws more of a slurve or sweeping curve, it does break 12-6 like they have him by default.

Also CC throws a straight slider and sometimes a cutter, but I dont feel there is much of a difference between them to consider adding it.

Burnett throws a knuckle-curve always has and always will.

[ElroyJetson]

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Burnett throws a knuckle-curve always has and always will.

as does Hughes , only problem is the knuckle curve on the show doesnt break as much as the sweeping,12-6, and regular curveball

[Erick]

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Burnett throws a knuckle-curve always has and always will.

That's untrue.

Actually he never threw a knuckle-curve until his stint in Toronto a couple years back. He was mentored by Halladay and changed his grip to a knuckle-curve to get more control as well as a sharper break. The spin is alot tighter now, which is why people want to give him a slurve or sweeping curve pitch.

Prior to that he had that big 12-6 curve during his time with the Marlins.

FYI

[Yanks22]

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anyone got an updated list of the pitches for each guy and attributes for each pitch?

[jkra0512]

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Here's what I'm using...Sorry I don't have the break and control ratings. what I did was just keep the same ratings from old pitch to new pitch...

CC Sabathia
Running FB- 93 mph
Change-up- 85 mph
Slurve- 79 mph

AJ Burnett
4-Seam FB- 95 mph
Sweeping Curve- 79 mph
2-seam FB- 93 mph
Changeup- 86 mph

Andy Pettitte
4-Seam FB- 88 mph
Cutter- 86 mph
Slurve- 75 mph (38, 72, 57)
Changeup- 80 mph (50,28, 60)

Javier Vazquez
Sinker- 92 mph
Slider- 84 mph
Changeup- 80 mph
Curveball- 73 mph

Phil Hughes
4-seam FB- 94 mph
Curveball- 77 mph
Cutter- 90 mph (54, 76, 68)
Slider- 88 mph
Changeup- 84 mph (42, 24, 62)

Alfredo Aceves
4-seam FB- 91 mph
Changeup- 83 mph
Curveball- 79 mph
Cutter- 88 mph

David Robertson
Running FB- 91 mph (59, 62, 91)
Curveball- 80
Slider- 88 (19, 41, 88)

Sergio Mitre
Running FB- 91 mph (58, 72, 42)
2-seam FB- 91 mph
Changeup-84 mph
Curveball- 78 mph
Slider- 79 mph

Joba Chamberlain
4-seam FB- 94 mph
Slider- 86 mph
Curveball- 79 mph
Changeup- 83 mph

Chan-Ho Park
4-seam FB- 91 mph
Slider- 85 mph
Curve- 78 mph
Change- 84 mph

Damaso Marte
4-seam FB- 92 mph
Slider- 81 mph
Changeup- 83 mph

Mariano Rivera
4-seam FB- 91 mph
Cutter- 92 mph
2-seam FB- 90 mph


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Not claiming they are right but with the input from others this is what I'm rolling with...

[Yanks22]

Re: NY Yankees Pitching Edits

Here's what I'm using...Sorry I don't have the break and control ratings. what I did was just keep the same ratings from old pitch to new pitch...

CC Sabathia
Running FB- 93 mph
Change-up- 85 mph
Slurve- 79 mph

AJ Burnett
4-Seam FB- 95 mph
Sweeping Curve- 79 mph
2-seam FB- 93 mph
Changeup- 86 mph

Andy Pettitte
4-Seam FB- 88 mph
Cutter- 86 mph
Slurve- 75 mph (38, 72, 57)
Changeup- 80 mph (50,28, 60)

Javier Vazquez
Sinker- 92 mph
Slider- 84 mph
Changeup- 80 mph
Curveball- 73 mph

Phil Hughes
4-seam FB- 94 mph
Curveball- 77 mph
Cutter- 90 mph (54, 76, 68)
Slider- 88 mph
Changeup- 84 mph (42, 24, 62)

Alfredo Aceves
4-seam FB- 91 mph
Changeup- 83 mph
Curveball- 79 mph
Cutter- 88 mph

David Robertson
Running FB- 91 mph (59, 62, 91)
Curveball- 80
Slider- 88 (19, 41, 88)

Sergio Mitre
Running FB- 91 mph (58, 72, 42)
2-seam FB- 91 mph
Changeup-84 mph
Curveball- 78 mph
Slider- 79 mph

Joba Chamberlain
4-seam FB- 94 mph
Slider- 86 mph
Curveball- 79 mph
Changeup- 83 mph

Chan-Ho Park
4-seam FB- 91 mph
Slider- 85 mph
Curve- 78 mph
Change- 84 mph

Damaso Marte
4-seam FB- 92 mph
Slider- 81 mph
Changeup- 83 mph

Mariano Rivera
4-seam FB- 91 mph
Cutter- 92 mph
2-seam FB- 90 mph


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Not claiming they are right but with the input from others this is what I'm rolling with...

nice thanks man

[jkra0512]

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nice thanks man

I wish I could do more to help...This being my first year with The Show I need to see how guys like Bahnzo and Razr do their edits to get an idea of how they see and edit pitches.

[jkra0512]

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No problem A-Cam

[Erick]

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Pitch edits for CC:

Running Fastball: Tops out @ 96
Slurve: Tops out @ 81
Circle Changeup: Tops out @ 87
Cutter: Tops out @ 93
2- Seamer: Tops out @ 93

Just some new information I was able to compile from Pitch FX data, recent video and some things I've read up on.

Watched CC's complete game tonight and boy his slider had some serious break tonight.

A little hard to decipher which pitches were cutters and which ones were 2-seamers though. There were some pitches inside to righties at around 92-93 that made the hitter's hips buckle and pop out at the end. It could have been either pitch really (2-seamer starting at the hip and darting back across the plate OR cutter starting off middle of the plate and cutting into the righties), but the movement is there on CC's fastball nonetheless. Oh and he topped out a couple times at 96 as well.

[jkra0512]

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Pitch edits for CC:

Running Fastball: Tops out @ 96
Slurve: Tops out @ 83
Circle Changeup: Tops out @ 87
Cutter: Tops out @ 93
2- Seamer: Tops out @ 93

Just some new information I was able to compile from Pitch FX data, recent video and some things I've read up on.

So really, when putting these in you should probably put the speed of the pitch a few mph below where he tops out. For instance, his RFB tops out at 96 but he's consistently hitting 93, so you'd put the speed of the pitch at 93, because when you go into the red in meter pitching or hold the button longer for classic pitching you will add a few mph but lose some control.

Obvious point I'm sure but I didn't want someone thinking they should put the speed of the pitch at where he tops out...

[Erick]

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For the running fastball 4 example.
Jus make sure it's a couple clicks after 94 so that it tops out at 96