One concern I do have about simulation mode...

[The 24th Letter]

Is that I get that "scripted" feeling like I got in Live 10....

I felt that, in order to maintain the great stats I was getting.....certain things were being predertimed to regulate it...After reading some of the devs comments on last years shooting, I believe this even more....

Just makes me wonder with sim mode coming back...

For what its worth though, the last game I played of 2ks with a sim mode (2k7) wasnt like this at all...

[eko718]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

Only one way to find out....

[youvalss]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

I can't see any other way to get sim stats. I mean, unless there is some new AI technology that is 10 times smarter than what we're used to. With all the tendencies and sliders, it's still not up to the level where the CPU really "understands" what sim stats means. That's the way I see it.

If I'm totally wrong, feel free to correct me...

[The 24th Letter]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

I can't see any other way to get sim stats. I mean, unless there is some new AI technology that is 10 times smarter than what we're used to. With all the tendencies and sliders, it's still not up to the level where the CPU really "understands" what sim stats means. That's the way I see it.

If I'm totally wrong, feel free to correct me...

Naw, I can totally understand that, I was wondering the same thing ....but at the same time, like I said....in 2k7 the sim level felt "right"...and I still had pretty sim stats even on default HOF. I felt I made my good shots, and missed my bad ones....

[youvalss]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

Well, seems like 2K7 was a once-in-a-lifetime game...so not sure if we can ever go back to it.

[NINJAK2]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

Is that I get that "scripted" feeling like I got in Live 10....

I felt that, in order to maintain the great stats I was getting.....certain things were being predertimed to regulate it...After reading some of the devs comments on last years shooting, I believe this even more....

Just makes me wonder with sim mode coming back...

For what its worth though, the last game I played of 2ks with a sim mode (2k7) wasnt like this at all...

When playing the cpu in any sports game it is very hard to not get a scripted feel. That's the nature of these games. CPU needs to run off code and it is very hard for it to replicate the human element of unpredictability. I've always wished that 2k had a real FG% mode that could be turned on/off similar to the Real FT% that they have.

[youvalss]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

When playing the cpu in any sports game it is very hard to not get a scripted feel. That's the nature of these games. CPU needs to run off code and it is very hard for it to replicate the human element of unpredictability. I've always wished that 2k had a real FG% mode that could be turned on/off similar to the Real FT% that they have.

I may not understand the whole real FG% thing, but if I do - wouldn't it mean that it would be even more scripted, like there's not much effect to when you release the ball etc.?

[youvalss]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

I think it was NBA 2Night ot NBA 2Night 2002, that had pretty much real FG%. The problem was that you could stand all alone with your best shooter and miss 3 in a row...

[Beluba]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

Is that I get that "scripted" feeling like I got in Live 10....

I felt that, in order to maintain the great stats I was getting.....certain things were being predertimed to regulate it...After reading some of the devs comments on last years shooting, I believe this even more....

Just makes me wonder with sim mode coming back...

For what its worth though, the last game I played of 2ks with a sim mode (2k7) wasnt like this at all...

It's actually the reverse of what you're thinking. Nothing is pre-determined, the game is just balanced differently across the different game styles and difficulties. With regard to shooting for example, on easier levels/game styles, defensive pressure might be less effective or the impact of user error might be dampened. As you move up the difficulty, you really need to earn your baskets. When you force a shot, you're more likely to miss. If you nail your shot timing, you're given a bigger reward... but if you're off, you get punished harder. Basically, the goal was to force users to execute better basketball as they increased the difficulty. Playing solid defense, working for good shots, running plays, etc. = wins.

[youvalss]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

That's great to hear!

[NINJAK2]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

I may not understand the whole real FG% thing, but if I do - wouldn't it mean that it would be even more scripted, like there's not much effect to when you release the ball etc.?

I've sometimes felt youvalss that people could overide a person's rating in a particular shooting category and make them better than they really are in 2k(ex: people turning Jerryd Bayless into Larry Legend from three simply due to mastering his release point.). What I'm saying is if Bayless shoots 36% from three, U break the users release points into % sections. For example a perfect release gets a +2-3%(38%-39%) , good release (36%), slightly late (34%), etc, etc. (I forgot how the shooting windows breakdown). This also could help keep those shooting percentages in check. This way you are allowing the user to have an influence on the end result while keeping stats in check.

[youvalss]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

Well, I guess it's a conflict - control vs real stats. As always, "balance" is the key word. But would it let you have real stats and still feel that you're in control? time will tell...

[NINJAK2]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

I think it was NBA 2Night ot NBA 2Night 2002, that had pretty much real FG%. The problem was that you could stand all alone with your best shooter and miss 3 in a row...

Kind of like Ray Allen in the NBA Finals youvalss. While that stinks for the user, that does actually happen from time to time. You would not have to make it mandatory, just optional like Real FT% is.

(youvalss)Well, I guess it's a conflict - control vs real stats. As always, "balance" is the key word. But would it let you have real stats and still feel that you're in control? time will tell...

That is the toughest thing about it and I agree with you 100%. I just think as 2k is now that perfect release equates to a huge jump in percentage like 6-7%. i think that is too high.


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[The 24th Letter]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

It's actually the reverse of what you're thinking. Nothing is pre-determined, the game is just balanced differently across the different game styles and difficulties. With regard to shooting for example, on easier levels/game styles, defensive pressure might be less effective or the impact of user error might be dampened. As you move up the difficulty, you really need to earn your baskets. When you force a shot, you're more likely to miss. If you nail your shot timing, you're given a bigger reward... but if you're off, you get punished harder. Basically, the goal was to force users to execute better basketball as they increased the difficulty. Playing solid defense, working for good shots, running plays, etc. = wins.

Thanks for the explanation Mike

[Teebone21]

Re: One concern I do have about simulation mode...

It's actually the reverse of what you're thinking. Nothing is pre-determined, the game is just balanced differently across the different game styles and difficulties. With regard to shooting for example, on easier levels/game styles, defensive pressure might be less effective or the impact of user error might be dampened. As you move up the difficulty, you really need to earn your baskets. When you force a shot, you're more likely to miss. If you nail your shot timing, you're given a bigger reward... but if you're off, you get punished harder. Basically, the goal was to force users to execute better basketball as they increased the difficulty. Playing solid defense, working for good shots, running plays, etc. = wins.

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