NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

Flipped Plays.

I saw some questions about flipped plays so I will add a bit to that. In an effort to assist the plays in running quicker they introduced flipped plays for the user.

How it will work in 2k11 is dependent on the type of play. On plays where the play starts on the left or right side of the floor. Those play can be flipped by the user by simply changing the side of the floor you are on when you call the play.

For plays that begin in the middle of the floor where there is no clear indicator of which side the play begins on. The cpu will run it to the side where the most players are already in position.

It works out really well from my time with the game.

For the best play execution you want to call your plays before reaching half court if you can. However the plays are running so much smoother than 2k10 that on a few occasions you will see the cpu run one play and then run another right behind it if it wasn't successful.

CPU seem to be keenly aware of the shot clock and how long it takes certain plays to run. I have seldom seen in limited play time it choose an extended play when there was not enough time to complete it.

Most will be relieved to know that with the exception of the out of bounds plays ever single play from 2k10 and previous has been removed.

[Set Shooter]

Re: New Insight: Expanded Playcall System

Not really. Nelson is far too reliant on individual brilliance in his offenses. Remember his Golden State teams when he had Richmond, Mullin, and Hardaway playing 3 on 3 basketball while his bigs stood around and watched?

Nelson's two man plays are highly overrated. Some soft screens/rolls and brush fades are usually what he bases an offense around. Tough playoff teams have little trouble destroying these soft schemes.

Well, those bigs you speak of are Manute Bol, Alton Lister, and Tom Tolbert so they were probably better off standing around and watching...LOL.

True, he hasn't had much luck going deep into the playoffs (when he does make it), but I'd say that has as much to do with the talent on the floor as it does his coaching.

And I disagree re: reliance on individual brilliance. If anything, he's gotten more out of his players than any coach in NBA history. All his successful teams played well off each other and needed them to overachieve. He's never had a team that had a Michael Jordan or a Kobe Bryant. And those teams absolutely relied on individual brilliance...

Most NBA teams that win championships had one or two superstars. The only team I can think of that's recently won a title without such a player are the Detroit Pistons.

[kolanji]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

@Da_Czar hey while ur at it can u plz plz plz plz confirm ,while we are on whole play calling scheme topic, that the announcers dont call out ur defensive play as soon as u switch defense and spoil the whole surprise when u try to fullcourt press or trap the ball?

[Spartan901]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

Wait...NO Video today?? I wanna punch something

[Da_Czar]

Re: New Insight: Expanded Playcall System

Niceeeee

I wonder if "Individualized Plays" are stuck in the team playbook or does it stick with the player?

Like if Odom wasnt on the lakers anymore, would he occasionally run plays from his position on a new team assuming he would have that role on a new team IRL?

Also, how about Manu?

If he left the Spurs in my Association; Would Manu still have Manu specific plays on a different team? Will the Spurs still run Manu specific plays for a new player on the team or will it just vanish?

Great question Juke. I just so happened to ask about that. 2k devs were very open about the playcall system.

How they decided to do it was to put code into the game that would be aware of a players general abilities. IRL when a player is traded most instances he will get plays out of the new system that fit his abilities. With the exception situations like Boston where they kept some of Nate's boston plays to help him get comfortable.

So in theory ( I didn't play with any trades) if you trade a player and he meets the criteria to run a certain "type" of play those are the ones the cpu will call for him.

Of course if it's your team and not cpu controlled your free to assign any plays you want to any player or bench position so that shouldn't be an issue.

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

@Da_Czar hey while ur at it can u plz plz plz plz confirm ,while we are on whole play calling scheme topic, that the announcers dont call out ur defensive play as soon as u switch defense and spoil the whole surprise when u try to fullcourt press or trap the ball?

HAHA great question. When capturing I keep the broadcasters off so I can have the court ambiance in the video with my background music. So I don't know. Hopefully not.

[Court_vision]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

Awesome...a lot of us have wanted this kind of depth in playcalling for years.

[TheBadazz]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

Well I can wait. I know it's going to be another classic.

Hey Czar that was real classy of you to let us know of the delay. I appreciate it.

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

Well I can wait. I know it's going to be another classic.

Hey Czar that was real classy of you to let us know of the delay. I appreciate it.

No problem and thank you !

[Spartan901]

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Thanks for the heads up Czar...but i still wanna cuss and punch something. Well guess i can go back to work now

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

Now this is one of those things that I have to see to believe because the playcalling has been bad/unresponsive/broken in this series since its inception and it has become issue #1 for me over the years. I saw rays of light in some of the videos that have been posted of gameplay with the off-ball movement, but I have to see the actual playcalling working. A working playcalling system in of itself gives players more incentive to play a more realistic brand of basketball because it would no longer be viewed as a complete waste of time (literally, in past NBA 2K games), and people could actually get points by calling plays, which should ultimately lead to more varied shot selections from users. It 'sounds' like they've made major strides in this area, but I'm looking forward to this video more than any other vid that's showcasing this game.

I hear you Fam. I can't wait for you guys to get your hands on the game this year. There have been so many small improvements that all add up to a really enjoyable playing experience. Its hard to put it into words without over"hyp"ing the game. When all your really trying to do is bring light to the fact that something is actually working.

Not saying its the best implementation in the world but considering, as you said, It was literally BROKEN before. Its not just that new plays were added. The plays were designed to do something from what I can see. and that something is to apply pressure to the defense in areas that force them to do something.

Not that may not sound exciting. But when you combine that with the fact that the superspeed catchup's and close outs have been from what I can tell fixed. If the defense makes the wrong decision they can't magically make up for that mistake before you can punish them like last year.

What I saw was that regardless of difficulty level (up to allstar that is as high as i went) if you forced the defense to double you were able to create an open shot for a teammate.

Finally in a 2k game except for legitimate backdoor plays the cpu is scoring in front of you. Not cheesing you with backdoor plays just because it know its own offensive plays are useless

[Jesus]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

2k's marketing must be extremely spur of the moment because i cant for the life of me figure out how its possible to have this all planned out and the day-of not have everything approved.

To my understanding big companies work within and are used to deadlines, so it has to be a dice roll on the info thats going to be released until like the day before.

[nccomicfan]

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I appreciate the heads-up..my concern and question here ...is the something that shows up in Czars vids 2k does not want us to see?

[RubenDouglas]

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It sounds great. The playcalling needed an overhaul. You would be two feet away from the "circle" and the play wouldnt get started or would just end prematurely. Moving around players to specific areas was not that easy. It needs to be more free flowing.

As I said, it sounds great. But seeing it in action is where it'll come to light if they accomplished what they say.

[domidomdomz]

Re: NBA 2K11 Developer Insights: Expanded Playcall System

Thanks for the heads up about the delay, Czar. Real classy.

Are you going to release series of videos with all the 30 teams in it? Like 1 team (or 2 or 3 teams) per video?