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**Pared** · 03-27-2011, 01:25 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by ShivasIrons

What we do need here is accurate and objective info, not telling someone to not get the game and "see ya next year."

Cut the garbage out. You asked a question, he answered. Drop it. If you don't think his answer is objective, stop asking him questions.

Divot, not everyone is looking for what you're looking for in a game. Please be mindful of that if you're going to answer questions.

**Seymour Scagnetti** · 03-27-2011, 01:27 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by DivotMaker

No, you do not need to judge elevation when zoomed because the zoom takes you to a view of the landing area and whether you change clubs when Zoomed or not zoomed, the view will show you the changes in where the landing area will be.

That's doesn't make any sense. Let's put it a different way. Is the aiming feature the exact same as it was in the demo? If it is then we have our answer.

If I'm at the 7th hole at Pebble Beach and it's 150 yds. Normally I would need a 7 iron, for instance, but because the hole has a lower elevation a 9 iron would be enough. If I zoom onto the green with the 9 iron at 100% is it right at the flagstick or 20 to 30 yards before the hole which is appropriate because the trajectory of the shot allows me to use a shorter club.

It should show the 7 iron at the flagstick because your 7 iron distance is 150yds but in reality it's closer to your 9 iron distance because of the lower elevation and then you adjust accordingly. If it shows the 9 iron then the game has been dumbed down even more and it wasn't like this in the demo. DM if you aren't doing this adjustment then maybe that's you find it so difficult so far.

If EA actually changed it for the full game (which I doubt) then that's a bigger bonehead move then the caddie.

**Rules** · 03-27-2011, 03:15 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Well I went on to download TW11 demo and it is no longer available on PSN.

Guess I will pick up a copy if for some reason I find TW12 not challenging enough.

**ChubbyBanana** · 03-27-2011, 06:36 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by DivotMaker

Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year....

I know you're trying to help people understand the game, but sometimes comments like this are hard to comprehend and lead to unnecessary replies.

Carry on with impressions.

**DivotMaker** · 03-27-2011, 07:12 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by ChubbyBanana

I know you're trying to help people understand the game, but sometimes comments like this are hard to comprehend and lead to unnecessary replies.

Carry on with impressions.

Fair enough. I will simply stay away from replying to users who don't like the game. Since the user I posted that to had stated he could not stand the game and was sticking with TW11, I did not see the harm, but so be it.

**Rules** · 03-27-2011, 08:00 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by DivotMaker

Fair enough. I will simply stay away from replying to users who don't like the game. Since the user I posted that to had stated he could not stand the game and was sticking with TW11, I did not see the harm, but so be it.

TW11 was crap..........I'm getting TW12

**Triggerfish** · 03-27-2011, 08:18 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Sorry for being old and senile..but after playing the demo more..i can live with it by disabling (the Idiot) but maybe i'm missing something..is there a way i can change clubs without zooming? I want to play without ever zooming..If i can at least do that i can play somewhat realistic. Too zoom out and see where my club will land about is killing me.Lord what did 2K do to the Links License!..ok sorry for that remark. :-)

**DivotMaker** · 03-27-2011, 08:39 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by Triggerfish

Sorry for being old and senile..but after playing the demo more..i can live with it by disabling (the Idiot) but maybe i'm missing something..is there a way i can change clubs without zooming? I want to play without ever zooming..If i can at least do that i can play somewhat realistic. Too zoom out and see where my club will land about is killing me.Lord what did 2K do to the Links License!..ok sorry for that remark. :-)

L2 and R2 bumpers for both 360 and PS3.

**Triggerfish** · 03-27-2011, 08:54 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

sorry! thanks for the response..but on PS3 demo L2 and R2 do not seem to do anything when setting up for the shot..

**Triggerfish** · 03-27-2011, 08:59 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

nevermind..i see what you mean but i have to zoom..i do not want to..i guess there is no way to set the club at address..thanks anyways!

**DivotMaker** · 03-27-2011, 09:00 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by Triggerfish

nevermind..i see what you mean but i have to zoom..i do not want to..i guess there is no way to set the club at address..thanks anyways!

You do not have to in the final version.

**JayhawkerStL** · 03-27-2011, 09:22 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by DivotMaker

Fair enough. I will simply stay away from replying to users who don't like the game. Since the user I posted that to had stated he could not stand the game and was sticking with TW11, I did not see the harm, but so be it.

I really didn't mind the comment. In fact, I think it would be more honest if you said that to more of us. Many are hitting you up to see if the game is actually better than the demo implies. It's clear that there is a small segment of us that are just not going to appreciate the new game.

But from most of what I have read, I think the game is going to do well with the majority of gamers. More importantly, I expect it to sell more copies than last year, and I doubt there will be many unhappy customers. I think EA is simply doing what it takes to sell more copies.

I think some of us just had a different impression of what you would think of this game. Your impressions don't fit in with what we thought you felt about the game last year. I do think you are being sincere, though.

In fact, one huge problem with assessing this year's game is narrowing down how it will be played. I can see Wii and Move users getting a lot more out of the Caddy. I'm pretty sure you are a Move player.

But yeah, it looks like I will stick with TW 11. The problem with the next year comment is that I have no illusions that TrueAim will be back. I play golf games that appeal to me on certain level, and I'm picky. PGA 2000 was a revelation. It wasn't until TW 10 that really felt like the game approached the same level of immersion. I was frickin' ecstatic that TW 11 exceeded that by leaps and bounds.

If I am waiting for another decade for EA or somebody to make another golf game I love, that's cool. But TW 11 and 10 sold like doo-doo. I don't think the execs care how much a few of us liked those games.

**Triggerfish** · 03-27-2011, 09:32 PM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

You do not have to in the final version."

Thanks Divot..if i can not use the zoom...and still change clubs..that will do for now and maybe EA patches..who knows..but it will prob mean a purchase for me. Would still love to know what these devs had in mind with the whole Caddy thing ..i really do not think these guys actually golf! I golf and i got no caddy!! Lol!!! It's one thing to Golf professionally and another to golf like some of us do. Also why would they make the caddy that intrusive on the higher levels..keep it on the lower levels for the people that want to guide the ball manually thru the air.They should know the people who play those levels do not want that. But heh..its EA.

**Lieutenant Dan** · 03-28-2011, 09:27 AM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I'm still on the fence. I played the demo again last night (360, controller) and just can't get over the disconnected feeling I have with 12 versus the immersion of 11. I was a sport and tried some holes with no caddy, but my information seems limited that I have available compared to 11's yardadge markers, carry distance, etc. It's too precise now. So, went back to my caddy and tried to play his way.

It IS challenging, because it's so hard to hit the percentages correctly. But the problem is, I don't feel like I'm thinking or having to figure anything out for myself with this system, so I feel disconnected from the game. Last year's seems so much more rewarding.

This year's is a beautiful game, and with the Masters and the inclusion of some DLC in offline career, that's great. The caddy is an interesting idea as well to help bring in more players and sell more copies. I like the way the green grid looks in 12 too (save for the caddie's Circle of Hope). But man...feel more like a specatator in the demo than a participant I guess.

I find myself wondering if I'd rather get this or stick with 11 and get Homefront or Crysis 2 or Shift 2 tomorrow (along with NASCAR

).

**callmetaternuts** · 03-28-2011, 11:59 AM

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Originally posted by Lieutenant Dan

I'm still on the fence. I played the demo again last night (360, controller) and just can't get over the disconnected feeling I have with 12 versus the immersion of 11. I was a sport and tried some holes with no caddy, but my information seems limited that I have available compared to 11's yardadge markers, carry distance, etc. It's too precise now. So, went back to my caddy and tried to play his way.

It IS challenging, because it's so hard to hit the percentages correctly. But the problem is, I don't feel like I'm thinking or having to figure anything out for myself with this system, so I feel disconnected from the game. Last year's seems so much more rewarding.

This year's is a beautiful game, and with the Masters and the inclusion of some DLC in offline career, that's great. The caddy is an interesting idea as well to help bring in more players and sell more copies. I like the way the green grid looks in 12 too (save for the caddie's Circle of Hope). But man...feel more like a specatator in the demo than a participant I guess.

I find myself wondering if I'd rather get this or stick with 11 and get Homefront or Crysis 2 or Shift 2 tomorrow (along with NASCAR

).

I went back to the demo and tried it on the hardest level (Tournament I think). I disabled the caddy and tried to ignore his selections, which is difficult because they are staring you in the face. Aiming could still be done in zoomed view, just no circle, but you just aim the center of the screen up.

The bad part? No idea how far each club goes. I couldnt find the wind either. Its aggravating to say the least. Of course, they generally pull the right club, but found it aggravating. You just step up with no thought other than left sick back, left stick through. Meh

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