NCAA Football 12 Custom Playbooks, 40 Total Formations, 15 Off. and 15 Def. Playbooks

[coogrfan]

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But is it a bad thing? Seems kinda exciting to me.

I suppose that depends on how concerned one is with the notion of "sim ball".

[The JareBear]

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Fair enough Coogr, fair enough.

I am a guy who ran (and still runs, when PSN is actually working) the generic multiple playbook in NCAA 11. I run mosty the I form, split I, and shotgun formations but will throw in a speed sweep from flexbone or power option from wishbone one in a while. LSU's playbook in 11, assuming its accurate, is pretty varied as well.

I would agree with the statement/idea that awareness and other ratings should be affected dynamically depending on the formation, but that would mean they would in turn need to add a "class system" to where when recruiting a guy it says "spread, pro style, option" etc which then could lead to other issues.

[Solidice]

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well, If the 40 max formations includes the goal line + special teams + Hail Mary, that means you'll really only have about 27 formations to choose from for offensive plays. remember some formations are "hidden"

the "locked" formations, going off how the formations were in NCAA 11:

Goal Line(for some playbooks, this would have 1-3 formations because of hidden ones, EX: Florida)
Hail Mary - 4WR
Hail Mary - 4WR Trey
Hail Mary - Spread
Hail Mary - Wing Trio Wk
Kickoff - NCAA
Kickoff - Normal
SP Teams - Fakepuntdirectsnap
SP Teams - Punt
SP Teams - Punt Max Protect
SP Teams - Tight Max Protect
SP Teams - Tight Max Prot Fake
Safety Punt - Normal


but still, 370-377 plays for 25-27 formations is a lot.

[J-Unit40]

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My girl is going to be so pissed...

Isn't that the truth.

This game is just going to be golden. I am really getting excited (as if I wasn't already before...

[smace767]

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Ok, I can give you credit for this post. I see your point.

I can definitely see the possibility of basically every good player running the same plays because, well, those plays are the best plays in the game, type of deal.

Hmmm.....interesting. I know in the OD I am that is still running strong with 12 users (its very dedicated) we all are way into it and have our own styles and whatnot so I would like to think that we will see some very diverse playbooks. However....you do raise an interesting question. Should there be a limit to the actual range of plays you can choose from?

It is true that in real life you wouldn't see a flexbone team come out in shotgun five wide or i-form tackle over but, as far as the audible concern I would LOVE for someone to come out in flex and audible to 5-wide, HBs at WR won't do crud. And especially going from shotgun to flex, yeah they might have speed in their backfield but better pray that ball doesn't get stripped.

Basically, upon further review, I do think you have valid concerns, but I truly feel like if you surround yourself with likeminded gamers the custom playbooks are going to add a new layer of depth and immersion as a "virtual coach." Especially if you can find dedicated ODs.

im in a few dynasties that have been going since ncaa 09. one is a MAC dynasty with low to avg talent teams. 12 users all in the mac.
Another one in particular we have 31 seasons completed. Advance everyday(for the most part) with the same core of 8. We all have football minds and its a 6* dynasty. Florida, usc ohio st, texas, ou ect...

With these level teams everyone has the talent to play any style and 3 non conf games are user games. just by default we will have multiple type attacks if given the opportunity. We all have backups and different talent type players that we would like to see on the field in different type offensive plays. I remember during the last two seasons i had finnally signed a stud qb with a cannon to go along with good to great wide outs. the problem i had was i also had top 3 hbs three years in a row and had a nice stable.

As it should be it was hard for any one playbook to get everyone touches. With this implementation i could get everyone the ball. because no one player will build that great resume it might become easier to keep studs 4 years.
At this level of competition we are gonna run plays to be successful and win games and sign recruits.

[The JareBear]

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Yeah I am with you Sol, the zone defense and custom playbooks are enough to get me to show up at walmart at midnight just to get my hands on it

[blkrptnt819]

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well, If the 40 max formations includes the goal line + special teams + Hail Mary, that means you'll really only have about 27 formations to choose from for offensive plays. remember some formations are "hidden"

the "locked" formations, going off how the formations were in NCAA 11:

Goal Line(for some playbooks, this would have 1-3 formations because of hidden ones, EX: Florida)
Hail Mary - 4WR
Hail Mary - 4WR Trey
Hail Mary - Spread
Hail Mary - Wing Trio Wk
Kickoff - NCAA
Kickoff - Normal
SP Teams - Fakepuntdirectsnap
SP Teams - Punt
SP Teams - Punt Max Protect
SP Teams - Tight Max Protect
SP Teams - Tight Max Prot Fake
Safety Punt - Normal


but still, 370-377 plays for 25-27 formations is a lot.

That's evn better. I only need 24-26 so I can still do what I need to do.

[smace767]

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well, If the 40 max formations includes the goal line + special teams + Hail Mary, that means you'll really only have about 27 formations to choose from for offensive plays. remember some formations are "hidden"

the "locked" formations, going off how the formations were in NCAA 11:

Goal Line(for some playbooks, this would have 1-3 formations because of hidden ones, EX: Florida)
Hail Mary - 4WR
Hail Mary - 4WR Trey
Hail Mary - Spread
Hail Mary - Wing Trio Wk
Kickoff - NCAA
Kickoff - Normal
SP Teams - Fakepuntdirectsnap
SP Teams - Punt
SP Teams - Punt Max Protect
SP Teams - Tight Max Protect
SP Teams - Tight Max Prot Fake
Safety Punt - Normal


but still, 370-377 plays for 25-27 formations is a lot.

Some guys are checking this but the earlier thought was

1 they were consolidating some formations like gator heavy and bulldog heavy into one heavy formation.

Special Teams is one formation type with many different plays like it is now. You pick the special teams formation and in it is fg, punts qb kneel ect so special teams as a whole is one formation.

Same with hail mary. one formation with different alignments in the play.

Same with Florida's goaline. one formation with a power I, wishbone within it.

[georgiafan]

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Here is my take on the debate about if its realistic or not.

Something that I think people are over looking is just that 400 plays is a lot. I just looked and on my last game (6 min qtrs i think) I ran 55 plays. Going off that average I could go about 7 games with out calling the same play twice. I think everyone is like me and will not call that many diffrent types of plays.

I also think that alot of times this time of year we over think alot of things. If it's 3rd and 9 then there is 90% chance i'm passing the ball with atleast 3 WR. I'm sure the defense should be aware of this and be in a nickle defense. If it's a 3rd and 1 then there is 90% i'm running the ball with some kinda FB/TE.

I'm a guy that's gonna have a power run playbook, but i'm gonna have some 4&5 WR sets in them.Also just because I have the 4&5 WR sets in my playbook doesn't mean I'm gonna be using them all the time. If i'm in a close game I'm gonna go with my bread and butter which is power football. I'm mainly putting the pass plays in when I need to score quick.

Also they are easy work around for this if it's a offline dynasty then use house rules. If irs a OD then find one that doesnt allow custom playbooks or has limitions on them.

[blkrptnt819]

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im in a few dynasties that have been going since ncaa 09. one is a MAC dynasty with low to avg talent teams. 12 users all in the mac.
Another one in particular we have 31 seasons completed. Advance everyday(for the most part) with the same core of 8. We all have football minds and its a 6* dynasty. Florida, usc ohio st, texas, ou ect...

With these level teams everyone has the talent to play any style and 3 non conf games are user games. just by default we will have multiple type attacks if given the opportunity. We all have backups and different talent type players that we would like to see on the field in different type offensive plays. I remember during the last two seasons i had finnally signed a stud qb with a cannon to go along with good to great wide outs. the problem i had was i also had top 3 hbs three years in a row and had a nice stable.

As it should be it was hard for any one playbook to get everyone touches. With this implementation i could get everyone the ball. because no one player will build that great resume it might become easier to keep studs 4 years.
At this level of competition we are gonna run plays to be successful and win games and sign recruits.

Now how muc would you LOVE to beable to transfer that dynasty over to 12? Tht's one thing. I want that I don't believe I will get this year but most else EA has come thru.

[smace767]

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Ok the community day guys just posted Special teams, Hail Mary and Goaline are all inclusive and 3 separate formations. The variation in plays depends on your default.

If you choose florida as the base, you will have the 3 Florida formations that are locked. Goaline, Special teams, and Hailmary. Those formations will have all of the different alignments and type formations for that team inside. All special teams plays and alignments are in the special teams, same with goaline and hailmary.

So 37 is the max user defined formations.

[The JareBear]

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That's awesome.

[rollinphat]

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Ok the community day guys just posted Special teams, Hail Mary and Goaline are all inclusive and 3 separate formations. The variation in plays depends on your default.

If you choose florida as the base, you will have the 3 Florida formations that are locked. Goaline, Special teams, and Hailmary. Those formations will have all of the different alignments and type formations for that team inside. All special teams plays and alignments are in the special teams, same with goaline and hailmary.

So 37 is the max user defined formations.

last i heard was that you didn't have to have the hailmary formation.
the only formations you are forced to have are the goalline and special teams.
so...it's really 38 is the max.

[mattbooty]

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I'm sort of with some of the other guys in thinking this could take a lot of realism out of the game. I'm not complaining about it, I think custom playbooks are great, I'm just concerned they are allowing too many different / diverse formations into a playbook.

College teams' gameday playbooks are much smaller than even the playbooks we use in NCAA 11. Normally a team will have a playbook about the size of NCAA 11 (but based on a certain philosophy or style) and then based on the team they play each week they trim it down. The reason is that the players (being college kids and of a wide variety of skill levels, this is not the pros) are just incapable of learning a huge playbook with various sets and styles and be able to accurately run them each week.

Now, I would be all for allowing a wide range of formations in a custom playbook IF there was some sort of awareness penalty or practice schedule... essentially during the week in a dynasty have to select X number of formations to practice and any other formations you take an awareness hit when you call them in that week's game. Just brainstorming but that would make this realistic... so if you run all of your plays out of similar formations that fit your team's style, you get no awareness loss each week but you have a less diverse offense, and vice versa you could have a wildly diverse playbook to try to catch your opponent off guard but your players are unable to run all of those plays consistently well. Look at Cam Newton... Auburn ran a very limited playbook because he was just incapable of knowing a large number of plays, but was so athletically gifted they had to keep him on the field.

[schumj]

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I'm sort of with some of the other guys in thinking this could take a lot of realism out of the game. I'm not complaining about it, I think custom playbooks are great, I'm just concerned they are allowing too many different / diverse formations into a playbook.

College teams' gameday playbooks are much smaller than even the playbooks we use in NCAA 11. Normally a team will have a playbook about the size of NCAA 11 (but based on a certain philosophy or style) and then based on the team they play each week they trim it down. The reason is that the players (being college kids and of a wide variety of skill levels, this is not the pros) are just incapable of learning a huge playbook with various sets and styles and be able to accurately run them each week.

Now, I would be all for allowing a wide range of formations in a custom playbook IF there was some sort of awarness penalty or practice schedule... essentially during the week in a dynasty have to select X number of formations to practice and any other formations you take an awareness hit when you call them in that week's game. Just brainstorming but that would make this realistic... so if you run all of your plays out of similar formations that fit your team's style, you get no awareness loss each week but you have a less diverse offense, and vice versa you could have a wildly diverse playbook to try to catch your opponent off guard but your players are unable to run all of those plays consistently well.

Agree! One thing I loved about NFL Head Coach game was that you had to practice and the plays you practiced effected how they played in a game. The game itself failed but there were so many great things about it like that which I think would add a lot to NCAA. This would reduce the amount that custom playbooks could be abused per se. Give a limited amount of plays or time for each practice, and you would have to choose what to implement or work on during practices. Much more realistic as just like in real life you have to spread out what you work on throughout your week of practice, spring ball, etc.