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  • mpbaseball22
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    • May 2011
    • 1029

    #691
    Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

    Originally posted by bdolski
    Exactly...I mean it's not like you can generalize him to an 18 year old, he is just that dang good, where his skill level IS better than a lot of major leaguers.


    Im not sure how to put this in the nicest way, but you clearly know absolutely nothing about Bryce if that's what you think...Trout is great and all, but Bryce is miles ahead.
    Bryce is 18 playing in A ball. Hitting .346 thru 200 AB's with 13 HR. Thats great.

    Mike Trout wasnt much off last year when he too was only 18. There is a pretty big difference between single A and AA. Im not saying Bryce sucks at all. But to have him step in as an 18 year old and perform better than half the league makes it unrealistic, and its off

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    • authentic
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      • Jul 2009
      • 5812

      #692
      Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

      Originally posted by mpbaseball22
      Bryce is 18 playing in A ball. Hitting .346 thru 200 AB's with 13 HR. Thats great.

      Mike Trout wasnt much off last year when he too was only 18. There is a pretty big difference between single A and AA. Im not saying Bryce sucks at all. But to have him step in as an 18 year old and perform better than half the league makes it unrealistic, and its off
      I agree. If MLB 11: The Show used a number system to rate it's players, Harper should be a 70, tops with A+++++++ potential. Harper has great ability, but he is very unstable mentally and from everything I've heard, is a mental liability.
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      • Knight165
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        • Feb 2003
        • 24964

        #693
        Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

        Originally posted by mpbaseball22
        Bryce is 18 playing in A ball. Hitting .346 thru 200 AB's with 13 HR. Thats great.

        Mike Trout wasnt much off last year when he too was only 18. There is a pretty big difference between single A and AA. Im not saying Bryce sucks at all. But to have him step in as an 18 year old and perform better than half the league makes it unrealistic, and its off
        Ummm...Mike Trout(love him as player...but...) hit .340 with only 10 homers in 600 PA in A ball last year. Harper has 13 in about 1/3 the PA's. You got some fuzzy math if you think Trout wasn't "much off" that last year.

        But this isn't about Harper vs. Trout....it's where Harper would be if he played in the MLB. From what I hear from most scouts....this kid could knock the ball with anyone....right now. He may get humbled by some far superior pitching....but that's where his VIS and DISC and CLUTCH come into play.
        Play with him....you'll see he isn't quite the monster you think he is.
        ...and..
        If you don't like Harper's ratings....knock him down a bit.

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        • authentic
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          • Jul 2009
          • 5812

          #694
          Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

          Originally posted by Knight165
          Ummm...Mike Trout(love him as player...but...) hit .340 with only 10 homers in 600 PA in A ball last year. Harper has 13 in about 1/3 the PA's. You got some fuzzy math if you think Trout wasn't "much off" that last year.

          But this isn't about Harper vs. Trout....it's where Harper would be if he played in the MLB. From what I hear from most scouts....this kid could knock the ball with anyone....right now. He may get humbled by some far superior pitching....but that's where his VIS and DISC and CLUTCH come into play.
          Play with him....you'll see he isn't quite the monster you think he is.
          ...and..
          If you don't like Harper's ratings....knock him down a bit.

          M.K.
          Knight165
          However, scouts still have Trout ahead of Harper in the rankings. Sometimes players who are going to be big league power guys don't do as well in MiLB because of the pitching. No doubt Harper is going to be good, and his power is excellent, but there's a difference in having RAW power and having great pop in your bat. I saw Harper play at the JUCO World Series and he has great power, but his discipline is very bad. He was swinging at sub par sliders in the dirt regularly, but in JUCO ball pitchers make twice as many mistakes so balls left the park. MLB pitchers won't make mistakes, know what I mean when I say mistakes. Minor league pitchers are far less efficient, which is harder to hit, but MLB pitchers put the ball on the corners with 2, 3, even 4 pitches that look the same out of the hand. The question is will Harper have the same power when he see's those pitches. He may be able to hit a mistake fastball out of the park and single A pitching, but we won't know how he hits off good pitching until the Nationals get him in the bigs, which I doubt will be this year. If their smart they will let him progress. Being a Cubs fan I think of Corey Patterson, guy tore it up as a 18 year old in the minors and they called him up early, ended up struggling with consistency and never was very good. He finally is starting to get good at bats and have success and thats 10 years later. I don't think the Nationals want that.
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          • BDKiiing
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            • Jun 2008
            • 9334

            #695
            Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

            Originally posted by authentic
            However, scouts still have Trout ahead of Harper in the rankings. Sometimes players who are going to be big league power guys don't do as well in MiLB because of the pitching. No doubt Harper is going to be good, and his power is excellent, but there's a difference in having RAW power and having great pop in your bat. I saw Harper play at the JUCO World Series and he has great power, but his discipline is very bad. He was swinging at sub par sliders in the dirt regularly, but in JUCO ball pitchers make twice as many mistakes so balls left the park. MLB pitchers won't make mistakes, know what I mean when I say mistakes. Minor league pitchers are far less efficient, which is harder to hit, but MLB pitchers put the ball on the corners with 2, 3, even 4 pitches that look the same out of the hand. The question is will Harper have the same power when he see's those pitches. He may be able to hit a mistake fastball out of the park and single A pitching, but we won't know how he hits off good pitching until the Nationals get him in the bigs, which I doubt will be this year. If their smart they will let him progress. Being a Cubs fan I think of Corey Patterson, guy tore it up as a 18 year old in the minors and they called him up early, ended up struggling with consistency and never was very good. He finally is starting to get good at bats and have success and thats 10 years later. I don't think the Nationals want that.
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            • authentic
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              • Jul 2009
              • 5812

              #696
              Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

              Originally posted by bdolski
              You doubted Uncle Knight...you lose
              I doubted him? I said, based off words, on the internet, that Trout is the #1 prospect. Also, I have actually seen him play, can you say that? Also, I have also talked to scouts that are Regional Scouts, who are top scouts, also I have talked to scouts who are with the MLB bureau. I have because I am being scouted myself and I have made conversation with them about pro baseball. I think I know what I am talking about.
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              • Jason_19
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                • Aug 2006
                • 1713

                #697
                Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                Originally posted by authentic
                he is very unstable mentally and from everything I've heard, is a mental liability.
                That is one of the most asinine things that I have ever read about Harper. I can say with absolute confidence that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You shouldn't say or think that about anyone, unless you know that for a fact.

                What I said applies to everything in this world. You should never believe what anyone says without researching and studying the facts for yourself and you can't do that with Harper's mental stability.

                I don't mean this in a rude manner. I'm simply stating something based on your comment.

                Also, for the record, as far as Harper's mental stability is concerned, his "mental makeup" is quite likely his greatest and strongest attribute.
                Last edited by Jason_19; 06-03-2011, 06:41 PM.

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                • authentic
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                  • Jul 2009
                  • 5812

                  #698
                  Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                  Originally posted by Jason_19
                  That is one of the most asinine things that I have ever read about Harper. I can say with absolute confidence that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You shouldn't say or think that about anyone, unless you know that for a fact.

                  What I said applies to everything in this world. You should never believe what anyone says without researching and studying the facts for yourself and you can't do that with Harper's mental stability.

                  I don't mean this in a rude manner. I'm simply stating something based on your comment.

                  Also, for the record, as far as Harper's mental stability is concerned, his "mental makeup" is quite likely his greatest and strongest attribute.
                  After personally seeing him putting himself before his team on countless occasions at the JUCO WS, including getting ejected in their elimination game, pretty big game, sells it enough for me. Now, I understand that tempers can flare, but he did it in nearly every game in Colorado. I have played upper level baseball and have seen guys who are great kids, raised great, great outside the field, but sometimes when they play the game they can get out of hand a little bit. I am not saying Harper is going to be Milton Bradley, all I am saying is he has a history of being mentally unstable, and for people who may have actually seen him play, would know what I am talking about. Is he a bad kid? Absolutely not, he has a great makeup and is by no means going to be a liability off the field for the Nationals, and I don't think he will on the field, those types of things get fixed quickly with these caliber of players, and seeing how he is a great kid off the field, it probably won't take long for him to become level when things go wrong. Saying Harper was a liability to the Nationals mentally might have been way off on my part, I didn't think it through that he is their top prospect and didn't think about his great makeup and how he was brought up. But I will not take back what I said about him having a couple mental issues when things go wrong, because I have seen them unfold in person. I don't want to start an uproar, I am just stating what I've seen, if anyone has seen him play, maybe I just saw the wrong 5 or 6 games.
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                  • authentic
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                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5812

                    #699
                    Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)






                    Kevin Goldstein says Bryce Harper might have historically bad makeup:
                    “It’s impossible to find any talent evaluator who isn’t blown away by Harper’s ability on the field, but it’s equally difficult to find one who doesn’t genuinely dislike the kid. One scout called him among the worst amateur players he’s ever seen from a makeup standpoint, with top-of-the-scale arrogance, a disturbingly large sense of entitlement, and on-field behavior that includes taunting opponents. ‘He’s just a bad, bad guy,’ said one front-office official.”
                    Last edited by authentic; 06-03-2011, 07:01 PM.
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                    • Jason_19
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                      • Aug 2006
                      • 1713

                      #700
                      Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                      Originally posted by authentic
                      http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb-236150




                      Kevin Goldstein says Bryce Harper might have historically bad makeup:
                      “It’s impossible to find any talent evaluator who isn’t blown away by Harper’s ability on the field, but it’s equally difficult to find one who doesn’t genuinely dislike the kid. One scout called him among the worst amateur players he’s ever seen from a makeup standpoint, with top-of-the-scale arrogance, a disturbingly large sense of entitlement, and on-field behavior that includes taunting opponents. ‘He’s just a bad, bad guy,’ said one front-office official.”
                      I don't care what anyone has to say about him or what he has done in the past. That doesn't change a single thing that I said. You have a lot to learn.

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                      • authentic
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                        • Jul 2009
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                        #701
                        Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                        Originally posted by Jason_19
                        I don't care what anyone has to say about him or what he has done in the past. That doesn't change a single thing that I said. You have a lot to learn.
                        Ok, it's fine, I said what I wanted to say, backed them up with points and words of professional scouts. I know who I trust and what I've seen.
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                        • Jason_19
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                          • Aug 2006
                          • 1713

                          #702
                          Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                          Originally posted by authentic
                          Ok, it's fine, I said what I wanted to say, backed them up with points and words of professional scouts. I know who I trust and what I've seen.
                          See, that's the thing. You haven't backed up anything. Anyone can quote mine. Also, the words of a "professional scout" means absolutely nothing. It's a shame that you think that it does.

                          I know what (not who) to trust, what to go on and what I've seen, as well.

                          Anyway, take care and God bless. This thread has gotten way off topic.

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                          • authentic
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                            • Jul 2009
                            • 5812

                            #703
                            Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                            Originally posted by Jason_19
                            See, that's the thing. You haven't backed up anything. Anyone can quote mine. Also, the words of a "professional scout" means absolutely nothing. It's a shame that you think that it does.

                            I know what (not who) to trust, what to go on and what I've seen, as well.

                            Anyway, take care and God bless. This thread has gotten way off topic.
                            I understand. No hard feelings from me, I can get into an argument and not go and cry about it and say some guy told me I was wrong. Now this is meaning nothing to what we've been talking about, I just want to show some people what the Nationals are actually dealing with, temper wise. Ok, again, erase what me and Jason were talking about because this is just for people who have never seen him play.
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                            • mpbaseball22
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                              • May 2011
                              • 1029

                              #704
                              Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                              This isnt off topic. But anyway.. I have Harper on all my teams and am making him go thru a year or two in AAA. Ive used him quite a few times and he plays in game just like hes rated.


                              I love the rosters, but to have Trout's ratings and Bryce's ratings sooooo far off is one of the things that irritate me. And Knight, they arent far off. Harper is hitting more for power while trout isnt.

                              Trouts stats from 2010 about were like this:

                              AVG: .341 HR10 73BB 85K OBPS .918 and I thought this was interesting... only 3 GIDP

                              Now Harper thru 225 PA

                              AVG: .340 HR13 31BB 45K OBPS 1.045 and has grounded into 4 douple plays

                              And fielding wise, Trout has 2 errors thru 221 games played, and Harper has 2 errors thru 53 games.


                              Both are great. But in the game wise, Harper is superior far more than he should be in my opinion.

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                              • Knight165
                                *ll St*r
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 24964

                                #705
                                Re: MLB 11 The Show Rosters - Operation Sports Full Minors (Opening Day Set)

                                Originally posted by mpbaseball22
                                This isnt off topic. But anyway.. I have Harper on all my teams and am making him go thru a year or two in AAA. Ive used him quite a few times and he plays in game just like hes rated.


                                I love the rosters, but to have Trout's ratings and Bryce's ratings sooooo far off is one of the things that irritate me. And Knight, they arent far off. Harper is hitting more for power while trout isnt.

                                Trouts stats from 2010 about were like this:

                                AVG: .341 HR10 73BB 85K OBPS .918 and I thought this was interesting... only 3 GIDP

                                Now Harper thru 225 PA

                                AVG: .340 HR13 31BB 45K OBPS 1.045 and has grounded into 4 douple plays

                                And fielding wise, Trout has 2 errors thru 221 games played, and Harper has 2 errors thru 53 games.


                                Both are great. But in the game wise, Harper is superior far more than he should be in my opinion.

                                Yeah...so they are pretty close in contact rating....Harper is rated higher in power and Trouts DISC is higher.

                                ...and DP's...????

                                M.K.
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