But here's the deal: even losing can feel good at times because these sliders never make you feel like the game was cheated. I HATE being able to win all the time. If I play bad I should lose...and good sliders make the cpu FEARFUL to play against. It's what I aimed for with both these sliders and my MLB 2K11 sliders. It becomes hard work to find those sliders, but when you do (and can say you're done tweaking) it's a good feeling.