Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

[MaddenFreestyle]

http://youtu.be/tagsj04K_X4?hd=1

It's a quickpass that is very deadly. So for the people that come to this site would you use a play like this? State if you play Online or vs CPU and also state Yes or No.

Also i am curious to know, if you're the type of person that finds things like this play ruin the game, what type of knowledge would you be looking for from other people?

I do not know much about people that play offline, i do not have any friends that play offline so it would be interesting to know more.

If you find this play a cheap tactic that is fine (because that is a more than fair statement), please just don't bash. This thread is about me trying to learn more about a community i am not familiar with.

Can't wait to see the feedback!

(btw i think the demo is decent, the retail game will not have 90% of the things people are finding to be broken so if you really hate the demo just remember it's not only a demo but it's a very old one. this is the earliest a demo has ever been released as well so they had even less time than normal) - just my 2 cents

[JHolsinger]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

That's pretty cheesy imo, as it's clearly a lapse in AI, so no I would not.

[MaddenFreestyle]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

That's pretty cheesy imo, as it's clearly a lapse in AI, so no I would not.

Just for the record, i have assumed that 95% of the replies will agree with you, but i am still curious.

Do you play Online or Offline? I appreciate your feedback too! thanks

[Elements]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

I would pick that off every day of the week. These cheesers kill me. Why play the game if you want to take advantage of the AI. After you did that twice on me I would take it to the house PICK 6 Style. Go lock yourself in the bedroom, and final some other cheap way to play the game! End this thread immediately. I know that myself and fellow OSers know that this shouldn't even be allowed!

[at23steelers]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

"I can't tell you how many times i would pick up key 1st downs using this play, the best part is that sometimes it goes the distance."

You know you shouldn't be doing it when you can EASILY do it 5 times in a row, the EXACT same play. I wonder if pressing the WR would affect this. I mean vs. the CPU, obviously this is cheap, but Im fine with it online, as long as it is easy to stop it from being exploitable IE Press.

[MaddenFreestyle]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

"I can't tell you how many times i would pick up key 1st downs using this play, the best part is that sometimes it goes the distance."

You know you shouldn't be doing it when you can EASILY do it 5 times in a row, the EXACT same play. I wonder if pressing the WR would affect this. I mean vs. the CPU, obviously this is cheap, but Im fine with it online, as long as it is easy to stop it from being exploitable IE Press.

Press kills this play, you can't run it vs bump but if you have a great release wr and they bump you then you're going to kill them with that.

I used this play for sure, but that is me and again i made this thread to learn more about you guys and what you guys think.

As far as elements, he clearly didn't read my whole post because he insisted on flaming which is unfortunate but i figured it would happen here and there

[at23steelers]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

Press kills this play, you can't run it vs bump but if you have a great release wr and they bump you then you're going to kill them with that.

I used this play for sure, but that is me and again i made this thread to learn more about you guys and what you guys think.

As far as elements, he clearly didn't read my whole post because he insisted on flaming which is unfortunate but i figured it would happen here and there

Yeah, good point. But if you have a safety over the top with Press coverage, you'd be fine. Especially this year with specific CB preplay controls with individual coverages and shading a WR.

[Faizon]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

I would pick that off every day of the week. These cheesers kill me. Why play the game if you want to take advantage of the AI. After you did that twice on me I would take it to the house PICK 6 Style. Go lock yourself in the bedroom, and final some other cheap way to play the game! End this thread immediately. I know that myself and fellow OSers know that this shouldn't even be allowed!

Guy came to this forum to ask your opinion respectfully. Why not return the same respect?

As for your question: I play 90% offline, 10% online. I don't think I would ever use it offline, and I would only use it online if I felt like my opponent was playing like a ****.

[Cre8]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

I am curious if it would help to play against that in bump coverage...?
Perhaps that would cut down on the immediate completion of a short route.

[TNT713]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

Um... To all the players that assume this is cheese because they see if work over and over against defensive coverages it's designed to beat. Notice how you never see it against the coverage he says it doesn't work against - PRESS MAN.

Whenever I see anyone use the term "CHEESE" I immediately assume they are capable of breaking down the play to determine why it works or doesn't work. Same whenever I hear someone blame the AI.

First, man coverage allows the receiver an outside release because man coverage is played from the inside to force the receiver toward the sidelines. Meaning if you throw a pass using this technique, you must know how to deliver the pass high and outside to the reciever...

Second, this play is run several times vs 2 Man Under with no adjustments. This is the most commonly used defense on Madden and therefore the 1st defense players find ways to attack. If you're a player that uses the 2 Man Under as a base defense, you are as much to blame for any 'cheese' as the person attacking you. It's SIM to prepare and players that attack the 2 Man Under are better prepared than the player that says beating it is 'cheese'. Mind you, players who think this is cheese because it beats the man coverage in 2 Man Under might actually try to defend this play with another man defense that is just as susceptible...

Third, assuming a player lines up in 2 Man Under, this play is defended well with a simple a adjustment of only 1 defensive player. My 1st adjustment would be to drop Nnamdi into a curl/flat zone (purple) where he would sit on the route and knock it down or pick it off. Next time I expected this I'd double Boldin with the safety directly over the top about 8 yards deep so he's standing where the ball arrives at the snap. After that, I'd bump Boldin so that Nnamdi was a little underneath where he'd delay the play AND react to balls thrown on a line. Lastly, I'd line up in man defense, then audible to a zone just before the snap.

The idea that this is cheese because it beats 1-on-1 man defense is silly...

That said... I play 99.999% of my games online, but I would NOT use this technique for a few reasons:

1) It's far too easy to adjust to with a max of one or two players...
2) My team doesn't have the personnel to pull it off...
3) This only works against people who refuse to call better plays/adjustments to defeat their opponent (zone, double Z, curl/flat zones, bump-n-run, manual coverage, etc..).
4) Receivers are better at picking up YAC when they catch the ball on the ground.
5) This technique FAILS against more techniques than it works against.

Obviously, anyone who thinks this is cheese is looking for reasons they shouldn't have to get better at making defensive reads, adjustments, and calling better plays.

Later

[LBzrule]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

Here is my question. Why should he not do it? It's not up to him to adjust to it. If someone wants to sit there in the same coverage all day that's their own fault. I'm going to have to agree with TNT on this one. You shouldn't not do something just because someone else cannot keep thinking and coming up with a way to stop it. The CB play is not very realistic anyways. I've played in online franchises where the only position people coveted on defense was CB's with 95 + man coverage with speed and linebackers with 88 + speed and good man coverage.

Why is that? Because you cannot pass on those guys in conventional ways. They will always jump the route, run the route better than the WR, and always make your WR drop a pass IF he someone gets separation to make a catch. Then they want to hollar and scream about you being cheese. How are you going to move the football? Run? Nope, they just get low overall defenders with high block strength, power move and block shed on the DL and you cannot run either.

[PGaither84]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

So no one watched the video? I didn't finish watching it, but at the beginning he said it was Madden 11, not 12 AND said that it works as long as the defense ISN'T in bump and run. That answers every question asked on the front page.

[tatmanfish]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

Ultimately, if EA ever implemented a truely adaptive AI, it wouldnt matter. Guys running the same plays over and over should be hurt by the AI "learning" those same plays and shutting them down a lot more making it harder for those plays to work. Instead, the AI just does the same thing over and over which allows users to do the same crap over and over and it just rewards cheesers/6 play gamers.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

I don't know if it's cheese, but it definitely isn't sim.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Would YOU use this play Online or vs CPU?

So no one watched the video? I didn't finish watching it, but at the beginning he said it was Madden 11, not 12 AND said that it works as long as the defense ISN'T in bump and run. That answers every question asked on the front page.

Not only this, but Madden 12 gives us the ability to press/shade specific recievers. I have been begging to see those features return just to deal with this sort of situation.

Before the individual assignments I would have said yes. It forces the defense to use press on the entire offense which means you can just hot route another wr into a press beating route and the defense is screwed unless you can handle it manually with awesome stick skills.