Madden NFL 13 Video Interview - EA Tiburon Breaks Down Some of the New Changes

[Smoke6]

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I fully agree with Big F, its not even remotely close to playing football at all when playing these tourney players. I mean in the NFL I'm sure coaches are pulling out there best stuff all the time but someone has to win. But the point is that these teams are not finding loopholes in the coaching or refereeing the game to achieve success.

I see most players run atleast these 3-4 routes a game with great success to the same spot on the field to the same wr.

Slants deep
Post corner to the TE or the slot
Or that mysterious quick out pass that has the intended wr 5yds or more up field the second the ball is hiked
And the curl route that seems to always work when the wr isn't looking and your defender is.but the animation won't let you get to the ball before the wr does.

Just tourney style is a style that shouldn't even exist, to me tourney style means I'm bringing my "A game" and trying to do my best at beating my opponent playing football.

Freestyle term seems weird, I think it should have more to do with just running a certain type of offense and defense without exploiting the game. Yet its all that and some.

The biggest copy cat tourney scheme that killed my nerve was the use and abuse of jermichael finley being put at wr the whole game and rocket catching every pass thrown to him. But in order to achieve success in stopping or slowing it down was to either nano or shake blitz to get pressure if you didn't have a man on Jim to press him at the line long enough to force a throwes elsewhere. It was either for a while intolerable someone found a sort of stable def playmaker to counter this, but it still would be a crap shoot.

If you feel you good without these cheap tactics like most of the freestyle community seems to feel they are, then why even bother playing this way and ruining someone else enjoyment when the name of the game is Madden NFL Football, not blitz or NFL Jam.

[Illustrator76]

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@whoever That IS NFL Football, my Gameplan vs your Gameplan and who can make the correct adjustments and execute. That my friends is what football is at its basics. It happens every play, every day, every game in the NFL. Simply calling the play and expecting it to work is hogwash and NO NFL team does that or realistically expects that. But unfortunately that is what happens too often with the "Sim" community.
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This is where I bow out. This line of reasoning is based off of a completely different reality than I currently live in. The day I see the Lions hot routing 5-6 defensive players, re-blitzing Defensive Tackles and nano blitzing A-gaps is the day I stop watching football. Period. I am talking REAL football strategy, not "perceived" Madden football strategy. I say this all the time, the cats that do all of this crazy BS with their plays in Madden swear up and down that they are Mike Martz or Buddy Ryan, but they aren't, nor should they ever feel that they are even close to "scheming" like those guys (I really can't stress this enough). They are borderline cheesers that take advantage of glitches and poor programming in a fundamentally broken "football" game. Nothing more.

[Illustrator76]

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Casey, understand what you are saying. Die hard Packer fan here. This will be Shields 3rd year with the Packers. As the worst ranked D last year, they never had Shields play back there. He can't tackle worth a darn.

Just saying.

See, this is my point exactly, you are arguing with someone who either doesn't understand or doesn't care about REAL football match-ups and strategy, only what seems logical in Madden. Put Shields in center field because he is fast and will get 30 picks a year. Run support? What is that mess? What is his awareness and aptitude to play safety? What if he makes the wrong decision? Aaahhhhh, who cares, he's fast, let's go with it.

Ugh. I'm out.

[therealsmallville]

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Probably not my business to jump in...but I'm going to do it anyway :-) (please bear with me here)

Go back a few months to the Super Bowl. Last play of the game. Brady heaves it downfield, in a last ditch effort. Now, did Belichick & Brady call up that play hoping to score a touchdown? Absolutely, you hope every play turns into a TD. But another reason QB's will chuck a ball into a crowd of players is they are hoping for DPI. To get one more play, much closer to the endzone. I guarantee you the Pats were praying for DPI almost as much as they were a miraculous TD. This is part of NFL strategy. Playing against the CPU, this strategy doesn't exist for me.

The way I have my sliders adjusted, I do lose games to the cpu. Often, when trailing with 10 seconds left, I'll heave one deep hoping for that DPI. It's never called, even when instant reply shows there was clearly illegal contact made by the DB.

I have a buddy who laughs at me sometimes for wanting penalties. He also likes 56-7 scores and stat fests while playing as the Dolphins. My opinion, and only my opinion, is that if he wants to score 50+ every game with no penalties en route to a 16-0 season, he should go play Blitz.

Give me penalties. Give me a 12-4, 10-6 season. LET ME LOSE A GAME because an AI controlled DB on my team did something stupid, putting the cpu on my 1 with a go-ahead TD. This is SIM. This is "Everything You See On Sunday".

This should be Madden.

[Big FN Deal]

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That's exactly why I feel like it's bizarro world in the Madden community sometimes because if this was on a NFL Blitz forum and I was complaining about how unrealistic the game play is, I would probably get banned or an infraction for trolling. lol

However, he we are discussing what's intended to be a NFL simulation game and people want to agree to disagree about whether trying to reasonably play within applicable realistic NFL parameters is playing the game the right way or not.

[sgibs7]

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Gibs, I noticed you had Shields playing center field way back where the safety does in the video for Smoke. See, I'm a Packer fan (avatar tells the story) and I would never put Sheilds back near Collins because the Packers never do.

Try to play like my team does.

And with your quote above, I feel that is where the disconnect is. Not having PI called in an offline game for an offline franchise for a football game that is trying to simulate the NFL is a negative.

To me and I think others, it does effect game play. I don't think we are looking for a negative or positive impact, just some kind of rally enticing impact.

On Sundays, in a two minute drill, when everyone is trying to line up and get to the line or in a no huddle, and the QB heaves up a long pass and PI is called.

Don't you feel that is a game changing moment? Instead of the ball on your own 35, now you have a 1st down with over a minute left and the ball on your opponents 35. Now, the chances of scoring a TD or FG before the half are greater.

i respect that totally. thats how you choose to play the game.

for me to win and to fit my defensive scheme - shields at FS is who I user control - with his catching rating and his blazing speed he allows me to cover more ground. putting him in position there gives me the best chance to win.

kinda like using Aaron Hernandez at HB even though he is a TE.

why is one way or the other the way the game is supposed to play?

[Smoke6]

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I see exactly what both sides are saying. While I am not a free-style player I REFUSE to call myself Sim basically just because Sim to me is not longer simulating the game, to me Sim is removing elements from the game that make it football because we don't agree with it or want to adapt to it. I play "realistic football" as much as humanly possible.

@Roadman I know exactly where you are coming from with the Shields comment. But would the Packers drop him back to prevent something they are having problems with?!? They MOST CERTAINLY would... Or else they would lose due to refusing to adjust.

@whoever That IS NFL Football, my Gameplan vs your Gameplan and who can make the correct adjustments and execute. That my friends is what football is at its basics. It happens every play, every day, every game in the NFL. Simply calling the play and expecting it to work is hogwash and NO NFL team does that or realistically expects that. But unfortunately that is what happens too often with the "Sim" community.
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I can't agree with this at all, the reason being is that we in the Sim communities try to eliminate the temptation of doing things we know fu well are broken but have very successful results kn madden regardless of the coverage.

If it wasn't for the blatant abuse of curl routes being used to achieve a first down and you are showing a pattern of relying on this most of the game, then it becomes and issue. Curl routes are not easily defendable, as there are several Sim leagues and communities who have started to ban this route.

Remember the 4 curls people were running in madden 09 out of snugs? It still happens to this day.

But its hard taking someone's word when they don't even bother indulging in the pub room games to begin with. I mean at this point Cm and whoever else doesn't play online, what what would it hurt to get online for a few hours in the play now and see for yourself?

If you still feel the same afterwards then heh, not much for me to say, but I feel a lot of people on this "its all moot" mentality don't even bother seeing for themselves. You act like we pulling stuff up out of thin air and that's not the case.

But tell me how would you feel if I just told you to just stop playing madden altogether if you're gonna come back at me with "then don't play online join a Sim group".

[sgibs7]

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And that's where you completely lose me and we are no longer talking about trying to simulate NFL football. Reason being NFL penalties are not enforced as a result of wins and losses, their enforcement or lack thereof impact those outcomes.

Using your logic holding, face masks, false starts, late hits, roughing the passer and block in the back don't matter to game outcomes either so it's fine if they are allowed to happen in Madden too. The main thing that separates the NFL from the CFL, XFL, Arena, freestyle ball and every other brand of football, is it's rules, which include penalties. So whenever a competition or video game has a rule set not reasonably enforcing applicable NFL parameters or allows freestyle play as you put it, that's not attempting to simulate playing NFL football.

Freestyle ball is it's own brand of football and that's fine but I don't understand trying to insist it somehow attempts to simulate NFL football in Madden, when it obviously doesn't.

i want madden to be realistic and IMO its pretty darn good at doing that.

i also play madden for what its worth a game. I simply just dont adhere to the same guidelines as you or others.

im not a bad person for that. im not inferior to anyone because of that. I choose to play a certain way that best fits my enjoyment of the game.

[sgibs7]

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These two posts above best sum up my feelings on the matter.

On the other hand, I'm not sure why this discussion is continuing on. It's just a regurgitation of the same points with neither side giving up any ground.

Someone has to wave the white flag, no? LOL

im like the energizer bunny - i just keep going & going & going hahaha

[sgibs7]

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This is where I bow out. This line of reasoning is based off of a completely different reality than I currently live in. The day I see the Lions hot routing 5-6 defensive players, re-blitzing Defensive Tackles and nano blitzing A-gaps is the day I stop watching football. Period. I am talking REAL football strategy, not "perceived" Madden football strategy. I say this all the time, the cats that do all of this crazy BS with their plays in Madden swear up and down that they are Mike Martz or Buddy Ryan, but they aren't, nor should they ever feel that they are even close to "scheming" like those guys (I really can't stress this enough). They are borderline cheesers that take advantage of glitches and poor programming in a fundamentally broken "football" game. Nothing more.

i feel the same way when I hear "i play a legit scheme that you see on Sundays".

none of us are NFL players or coaches (there might be someone hiding somewhere thats laughing at this and secretly saying to himself, i am)

but that statement works both ways.

I try and make this game better by talking about and explaining all the exploits you see and why they need to be removed.

im on board with what you guys want - i just play differently then you guys do.

[sgibs7]

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See, this is my point exactly, you are arguing with someone who either doesn't understand or care about REAL football match-ups and strategy, only what seems logical in Madden. Put Shields in center field because he is fast and will get 30 picks a year. Run support? What is that mess? What is his awareness and aptitude to play safety? What if he makes the wrong decision? Aaahhhhh, who cares, he's fast, let's go with it.

Ugh. I'm out.

I user control him...so in theory his awr is 100 haha - prolly a 99 not sure im that aware

[sgibs7]

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Probably not my business to jump in...but I'm going to do it anyway :-) (please bear with me here)

Go back a few months to the Super Bowl. Last play of the game. Brady heaves it downfield, in a last ditch effort. Now, did Belichick & Brady call up that play hoping to score a touchdown? Absolutely, you hope every play turns into a TD. But another reason QB's will chuck a ball into a crowd of players is they are hoping for DPI. To get one more play, much closer to the endzone. I guarantee you the Pats were praying for DPI almost as much as they were a miraculous TD. This is part of NFL strategy. Playing against the CPU, this strategy doesn't exist for me.

The way I have my sliders adjusted, I do lose games to the cpu. Often, when trailing with 10 seconds left, I'll heave one deep hoping for that DPI. It's never called, even when instant reply shows there was clearly illegal contact made by the DB.

I have a buddy who laughs at me sometimes for wanting penalties. He also likes 56-7 scores and stat fests while playing as the Dolphins. My opinion, and only my opinion, is that if he wants to score 50+ every game with no penalties en route to a 16-0 season, he should go play Blitz.

Give me penalties. Give me a 12-4, 10-6 season. LET ME LOSE A GAME because an AI controlled DB on my team did something stupid, putting the cpu on my 1 with a go-ahead TD. This is SIM. This is "Everything You See On Sunday".

This should be Madden.

jump in whenever man - everyones allowed a voice and opinion.

what you are saying is totally valid - i was praying for a PI on that play.

i thought gronk caught it at first and i went absolute nuts and then realized that my Pats fell to the Giants once again on the big stage

[therealsmallville]

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i feel the same way when I hear "i play a legit scheme that you see on Sundays".

none of us are NFL players or coaches (there might be someone hiding somewhere thats laughing at this and secretly saying to himself, i am)

but that statement works both ways.

I try and make this game better by talking about and explaining all the exploits you see and why they need to be removed.

im on board with what you guys want - i just play differently then you guys do.

Hampering the speed of a WR with a DB on the way to the ball, and not getting flagged for it, pretty much is an exploit though.

[Big FN Deal]

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i want madden to be realistic and IMO its pretty darn good at doing that.

i also play madden for what its worth a game. I simply just dont adhere to the same guidelines as you or others.

im not a bad person for that. im not inferior to anyone because of that. I choose to play a certain way that best fits my enjoyment of the game.

C'mon Sgibs, don't throw out red herrings like that, no one is implying any of that other stuff, what I am saying is you are not attempting or enforcing reasonably realistic NFL game play in Madden, even though that is the alleged function of the game.

You don't have to and not doing so does not put you beneath me or make you bad peoples. However, it does mean that you are exploiting a game that is alleged to be designed to attempt to emulate NFL football, when you intentionally do not do so.

[Smoke6]

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i respect that totally. thats how you choose to play the game.

for me to win and to fit my defensive scheme - shields at FS is who I user control - with his catching rating and his blazing speed he allows me to cover more ground. putting him in position there gives me the best chance to win.

kinda like using Aaron Hernandez at HB even though he is a TE.

why is one way or the other the way the game is supposed to play?

It's not about the Hernandez at fb that bothers me, but you said exaclty what illustrator just posted about and that's speed. The depth of the field is far too narrows in relation to the speed of these players who can cover any route they see fit,. If this was a true type of scheme then GB would have been a whole lot better on defense.

This is where wanting physics and weight to come into play because its to easy to navigate these players around or across the field as they just slide around regardless of their momentum and position kn the field. Trust and believe if all this was accounted for, you better had made the right choice on what player you chose to Target or it would really cost you lime it should now.

But playing safety or any secondary position, do you take a read step first or do you you just go in blazing?

I swear to you this would cut a lot of that kamikaze gameplay out I see daily, but ill post a vid up when I get home.

Another thing, is it cheesy of.me to continue to bore myself running the same defense over and over because my opponent wants to do the same on offense? I try to mix up my D but its hard when only a handful of plays can counter the everyday cheesy stuff.