Madden NFL 13 Roster Editing Issue Rears Its Ugly Head

[mestevo]

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More than 30, and what's your point anyway?

182 actually, but the top 30 make up 58% of the thread

[DNMHIII]

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I've never played online and never want to, but I've always supported the online community in getting the love they've deserved and have been waiting a long time for.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with the features that offline franchise has lost. People have a right to be upset about it and we as a forum should be supporting those that are upset at losing features that existed in Madden and exist in almost all Sports Video Games.

Anytime someone has a legitimate complaint, we should ALL be standing behind them whether we personally use that feature or not.

I just don't understand those trying to silence anyone with a legitimate complaint.

Significant features are missing, we should all be upset about that.

EA/Tib have a history or putting a feature in, taking it back out, replacing it and marketing it as a brand new feature, taking it back out, and returning it years later. We should ALL be upset about it.

I, as a Software Designer, understand why they would want to combine modes into one. Saves them resources/dollars. I understand it, but because of it, significant features are still missing. We should ALL be upset about those significant missing features.

I have never discouraged any online person from voicing their frustration. In fact, I encouraged it. Even though I could give a rats behind about online franchise. I'm smart enough to know they deserved much better than what they had been getting. Offline franchiser's deserve that same kind of support.

This is a great post IMO and its exactly how I feel. I think the game should be designed around the customer and last I checked that meant online and offline players alike. I've always been bummed about online just being a nightmare culture do to some players glitching the hell out of each other, but I always wanted it to be better just because I would like to participate somehow and I know a lot of people enjoy it and would like it to get better also.

No problem with CCM if designed properly and from here on out I'd really like to see both online and offline be developed side by side with the same great features for both. Whats really pissed a lot of people off is that by moving to this CCM effort it practically gutted the old franchise mode and left the offline player with a shell of what the game had been for them for so long.

[briz1744]

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Do many people know about this? link?

sorry new phone and haven't worked out how to do that yet , ther is a link posted on page 25ish of this thread tho

[jpollard25]

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More than 30, and what's your point anyway?

What's yours?

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182 actually, but the top 30 make up 58% of the thread

Still not understanding why it matters...it's a good place for useful information...a good place to grasp an understanding of the what's going on, and what the thought process has been...

[bichettehappens]

So you are pretty much saying, don't add CCM this year which greatly improves the feature set of bare bones online Franchise, just so offline can continue have things like player editing, import rosters, etc? Or don't add CCM this year, instead update online franchise mode to include M12's features, leaving out the storylines, XP system and all the general new features in CCM, just so offline can continue to have the options they are accustomed to?

If those are the only other options, I prefer the way EA/Tiburon decided to do it this year. I see it as they took ONE YEAR of release to combine these modes with some limited options, so going forward a raising tide will raise all boats, after YEARS of inequality in the Superstar, online and offline Franchise modes.

Agree 100%. For me personally, if I had to choose between being stuck with bland franchise again in M13 but including the omitted features, then have M14 as the transition period... Or CCM this year. I'm choosing the way they did it this year undoubtedly. But that's just my opinion, and with that I think I've had enough of this circular discussion lol

[TreFacTor]

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Give me a break here man. No one is saying that at all. You are assuming there are workarounds because you don't care about that mode. Not to mention there were no sliders in online franchise. That's beside the point. You are upset now because YOUR favorite thing is finally being taken out. It sucks and in no way is it acceptable. It's not acceptable to anyone, including those of us who are not affected. No one is saying, "I told you so". It's just interesting to see the reactions, because I think it has enabled a lot of football fans to really understand what is so frustrating about EA football. This IS a uniting element. No one wants to see features eliminated no matter what.

The only thing I can 100% agree on; no matter what everyone's personal issue on this matter is, I have rarely seen this amount of passion, discussed about Madden in such a mature fashion. The discussion has been vast, varied and rebutted in a fashion that I haven't seen i quiet some time. Yes this should be a uniting time, and the two sides should meet in the middle. Agree to disagree but see the merit of each sides argument. Withhold your personal disdain, and work together toward a better goal. The game surely would be better than it currently is with the missing features in question so where is the middle ground to get that accomplished?

How does the Madden community after all these years truly unite?

[SoxFan01605]

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It finally dawned on me how to clearly articulate why some gamers like me aren't as taken aback by being forced to try CCM "as is" initially. EA/Tiburon has been doing this with online play this ENTIRE console generation. I commented about QB Vision in another thread and someone strictly offline was saying how it was optional but not for online the first year. The majority, if not all, the options offline gamers are currently understandably disappointed about not being in CCM and MORE, have been repeatedly left out for online play. No slider sets, no player salaries, no CPU trade logic, one year we had to pay for All-Madden online ranked games, forced QB vision, blah, blah, blah.

I am reading these post where people are stating they can't believe EA/Tiburon would do something like this, when EA/Tiburon have been "doing something like this" to online gamers the entire time. I can't tell you of the number of posts, which I might should search for, when someone predominately an offline gamer would state "I don't care about online or online franchise, just improve offline" or "online franchise is the minority" in reply to threads and posts about equating or combining online/offline Franchise. Also with some offline gamers saying a flippant, "just don't play online then", year after year.

I don't mean to be a first class arsehole and I honestly do hope these options are added back but this seems like chickens coming home to roost. Maybe now that more Madden gamers get a chance to experience having frustrating limitations placed on how they have attempted to enjoy the game, we all can come together as a community to push for changes that benefit us all.

I see your point to an extent (in the sense that online gamers have gotten a raw deal in the past), but whose chickens, exactly? Some ignorant posters? I'm sure I could find "offline franchise is dead" type comments by people advocating online league focus. Every time someone has a gripe about AI, logic, or franchise, there's always people who will say "then stop playing the CPU...". I just don't think that proves much other than that's the nature of message boards, unfortunately...people generalize and "take sides" to make points. In any event, the point is that some single-minded gamers on either side shouldn't be central to anyone's rationale on why this is or isn't okay.

I also don't dispute that online guys have gotten it worse over the years at all (THAT, is a 100% valid point). Nor am I saying you, or anyone else who isn't impacted by these limitations should care or feel sorry, etc. People care about what they care about...it's all subjective. But do you really think offline players don't know what it's like to be limited? We just got back some of the features we had for years in 12 and that STILL doesn't equate to where Madden should be or even was at one point.

Point being, with Madden, no one has really "won" for quite some time. If we come together on any point, it should be that Madden has failed to strike a balance for their consumers and there shouldn't be any reason to have "sides" in the first place. CCM may indeed remedy that in the future, but IMO, where EA dropped the ball is that rather than bring everyone UP to the same standard of control and options, they simply lowered the bar. That's why I'm disappointed in 13. We'll see how it goes in the future though.

BTW, I'm not coming at you or anything. Again, I see your points...I just completely disagree with your rationale that I needed to learn my lesson...lol. Let me also clarify that I'm not advocating that they should have not done CCM at all, because then we'd be in the same loop of issues (and online players would be left in the cold again, which simply shifts the problem to a different group). My point is this process of having to sacrifice from one thing in order to pay for another in this series has gotten pretty old.

[bichettehappens]

sorry new phone and haven't worked out how to do that yet , ther is a link posted on page 25ish of this thread tho

I think it's www.easports.com/gamechangers/ideas

[Bigmac612]

More people would be upset if all we got was 12 with the Infinity Engine and a promise for more next year, while this cycle's resources went into something that wasn't even released.

Pushing CCM to 14 because of an incompatibility with a few features resulting in them being removed is a pretty easy decision to not make IMO.

I think a lot of people are underestimating or don't really appreciate the direction, in the name of wallowing in the outrage.

It's not perfect, and that sucks however much it may affect you. Make the best of the situation and look to next year. If that means not buying it them so be it, speak with your wallet. Completely understandable.

ARGHHHHHH!!!!! Im so sick of this "wait till next year" crap!!! I mean how long have we been sayin this about Madden?? Seriously??

One thing i can always guarantee about madden regarding "Next Year" is...around April-May they will give you some Awesome hopeful "that this will finally be the year" type news...thennnn around june-july you start hearing bits of the bad news...sooo now your high hopes are a mainly dashed but you still hold on to the littleeeee inch of hope that everything will work out in the end....but here comes August...when the game is finally in hand then you realized everything that they advertised was broken..and now...well u just go along with it and learn to accept it for the weak wack ish it is cause its the only NFL game on the market and force yourself to make the best out of it...pretty sure its gon be more of that same ish "next year"....

Madden is the only big game that does this, the others your more like "damn, i wonder how they gon add any more to this awesome sh.."...

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[Pacman83]

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Give me a break here man. No one is saying that at all. You are assuming there are workarounds because you don't care about that mode. Not to mention there were no sliders in online franchise. That's beside the point. You are upset now because YOUR favorite thing is finally being taken out. It sucks and in no way is it acceptable. It's not acceptable to anyone, including those of us who are not affected. No one is saying, "I told you so". It's just interesting to see the reactions, because I think it has enabled a lot of football fans to really understand what is so frustrating about EA football. This IS a uniting element. No one wants to see features eliminated no matter what.

There are several functioning Online Franchises using external sites...and no you're not saying it. But it is being said. Guys would rather have an Online Franchise that's "greatly" improved over M12 offline, than for EVERYONE to get an mode that's functional. How is that uniting?..Give me a break.

Ex)

So you are pretty much saying, don't add CCM this year which greatly improves the feature set of bare bones online Franchise, just so offline can continue have things like player editing, import rosters, etc? Or don't add CCM this year, instead update online franchise mode to include M12's features, leaving out the storylines, XP system and all the general new features in CCM, just so offline can continue to have the options they are accustomed to?

If those are the only other options, I prefer the way EA/Tiburon decided to do it this year. I see it as they took ONE YEAR of release to combine these modes with some limited options, so going forward a raising tide will raise all boats, after YEARS of inequality in the Superstar, online and offline Franchise modes.

So basically offline/online switched places. (Could argue that offline is worse) And now "its okay" cause we're all moving forward together? lol.

[cuttingteeth]

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There are several functioning Online Franchises using external sites...and no you're not saying it. But it is being said. Guys would rather have an Online Franchise that's "greatly" improved over M12 offline, than for EVERYONE to get an mode that's functional. How is that uniting?..Give me a break.

Ex)


So basically offline/online switched places. (Could argue that offline is worse) And now "its okay" cause we're all moving forward together? lol.

Dude, I already tried to point out the same thing in the middle of this thread. They won't hear the sense you're making.

[GiantBlue76]

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There are several functioning Online Franchises using external sites...and no you're not saying it. But it is being said. Guys would rather have an Online Franchise that's "greatly" improved over M12 offline, than for EVERYONE to get an mode that's functional. How is that uniting?..Give me a break.

Ex)


So basically offline/online switched places. (Could argue that offline is worse) And now "its okay" cause we're all moving forward together? lol.

No, that's not what I said at all. You are so hung up on the online vs. offline that you are choosing only to see what you think you want to and not what I am saying. I have never advocated one over the other. I was always pushing for a united experience where there was simply a franchise mode and you could play online with friends or by yourself. Everything should work the same.

I'm not going to argue with you because it doesn't matter what is said here, you will continue to feel that your mode is all that matters and the reason why you lost what you liked was because of the "online" community. I'm here to tell you that is not correct, but that doesn't matter because you are hell bent on seeing it how you want to.

TAKING AWAY FEATURES FOR ANY GAME MODE SHOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE. PERIOD.

It has nothing to do with online or offline or the facet of the game that it was taken from. It should not occur if it doesn't have to. It will continue to happen when only one game is being produced. The only reason why some folks like Big and a few others brought up the online crowd and how we felt was to let you know that there are others who do not play the game the way you do that can empathize with you. Instead, you are looking at it from the "I told you so" point of view. Couldn't be further from the truth. When things are absent from the game after they were there, it affects people the same way. Your situation is not unique to what Tiburon has been doing to many other football gamers for years. It does not make it any more acceptable regardless of the piece of the game that was removed.

[SteelerSpartan]

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I also don't dispute that online guys have gotten it worse over the years at all (THAT, is a 100% valid point). Nor am I saying you, or anyone else who isn't impacted by these limitations should care or feel sorry, etc. People care about what they care about...it's all subjective. But do you really think offline players don't know what it's like to be limited? We just got back some of the features we had for years in 12 and that STILL doesn't equate to where Madden should be or even was at one point.

Point being, with Madden, no one has really "won" for quite some time. If we come together on any point, it should be that Madden has failed to strike a balance for their consumers and there shouldn't be any reason to have "sides" in the first place. CCM may indeed remedy that in the future, but IMO, where EA dropped the ball is that rather than bring everyone UP to the same standard of control and options, they simply lowered the bar. That's why I'm disappointed in 13. We'll see how it goes in the future though.

Very Well Said

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Yep we should be pushing them to do more in all areas...

[Errors Occurred]

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All I'm going to say about this (Wait till next year) I have been waiting since 2006 when I was 22 years old...I'm now 28 years old and Married with kids and now I hear people again saying (Wait till next year) if we all keep waiting we are going to be 75 years old and I bet we will still be told (Just wait till next year)

[GiantBlue76]

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I see your point to an extent (in the sense that online gamers have gotten a raw deal in the past), but whose chickens, exactly? Some ignorant posters? I'm sure I could find "offline franchise is dead" type comments by people advocating online league focus. Every time someone has a gripe about AI, logic, or franchise, there's always people who will say "then stop playing the CPU...". I just don't think that proves much other than that's the nature of message boards, unfortunately...people generalize and "take sides" to make points. In any event, the point is that some single-minded gamers on either side shouldn't be central to anyone's rationale on why this is or isn't okay.

I also don't dispute that online guys have gotten it worse over the years at all (THAT, is a 100% valid point). Nor am I saying you, or anyone else who isn't impacted by these limitations should care or feel sorry, etc. People care about what they care about...it's all subjective. But do you really think offline players don't know what it's like to be limited? We just got back some of the features we had for years in 12 and that STILL doesn't equate to where Madden should be or even was at one point.

Point being, with Madden, no one has really "won" for quite some time. If we come together on any point, it should be that Madden has failed to strike a balance for their consumers and there shouldn't be any reason to have "sides" in the first place. CCM may indeed remedy that in the future, but IMO, where EA dropped the ball is that rather than bring everyone UP to the same standard of control and options, they simply lowered the bar. That's why I'm disappointed in 13. We'll see how it goes in the future though.

BTW, I'm not coming at you or anything. Again, I see your points...I just completely disagree with your rationale that I needed to learn my lesson...lol. Let me also clarify that I'm not advocating that they should have not done CCM at all, because then we'd be in the same loop of issues (and online players would be left in the cold again, which simply shifts the problem to a different group). My point is this process of having to sacrifice from one thing in order to pay for another in this series has gotten pretty old.

Great post and I could not agree more.