All I'm saying is they're for sure a hell of a lot better than some teams that get talked about constantly (Lakers, Nets, Bulls, hell even the Mavericks) and compared to that I never see anything about them on ESPN, they're NEVER on TV, they're just not in the conversation is all I'm saying. I don't get NBATV so maybe those guys talk about them but I haven't heard much from the ESPN or TNT guys.