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  • Instant C1a55ic
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    #1

    My take on RTTS and not being called up

    I have noticed a lot of people stating that they are not getting called up and using their current ovr and stats as a crutch.

    That logic needs IMO to be thrown out the window. From the experiences I have had with this game so far, and what I have done in my eyes sheds a little light on the situation, I am hoping all of you see it the same way I do.

    In my franchise, I traded for a pitcher that was an A potential, 20 years old and an ovr of 84. Naturally I put him in my starting rotation at the MLB level and he was demolished going 0-4 and an era above 4. Now looking over his atts, I noticed his BB and hits atts were low and it was causing him to get pounded and he walked a lot, obviously. Now, the question is would you keep him in the rotation or send him down?

    Example 2 is a CF I drafted and he had AMAZING base running skills, and fielding skills but couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. His L/R contact was in the 50's, and his vision and discipline was in the 30's. With all of that, his ovr was in the high 70's due to his other atts being in the 80-90's. I left him in AAA for 4 years and each year he tore the ball hitting for over .300 each year. regardless of what he did, I waited and it paid off. I was able to trade my then starting CF for prospects and have him lead off

    Now, take that same logic and apply it to the RTTS. YES, you may have outstanding stats, but take a look at your atts and ask yourself this, if I was in a franchise and had this player would I risk an option and call him up? OR would I rather let him build up his atts a little more before the call up?

    I am a firm believer and many will disagree, but I feel that for every position there is a preset number for atts that is coded into the game before each call up. Now, this is overridden due to the fact of trades or injuries just like in real life. Players that are not ready all called up all the time and some propser and some get sent back down to get better.

    Just because you have an 85 ovr player doesn't mean you deserve a call up. Look at your atts and ask yourself would I call him up? Don't look at the numbers, and that's because everyone knows people can flourish in AAA and crash in the majors.

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  • BoomerHB52
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    #2
    Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

    Great post and I agree completely. That happened to me. In my first year, I gained a lot in contact and power (started in the 40's. In September they were reaching the 70's) I was called up in september to the Majors but the following season I got send down to AAA for the majority of the season. Why? Well, basically all my others atts were very low. Especially Vision, Discipline and Clutch. They were all in the 30's. That second season (year 2014) in AAA really helped me to increase the stats in those categories. The following year I was already a starter in MLB and even though my stats were a little bit to low, I managed to climb up and now I'm the best player to have ever step in the field

    Basically, even if you have contact in 150, but your others key attributes like vision, discipline and clutch are way too low, it's going to take time to get you called up.
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    • G3no_11
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      • Oct 2012
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      #3
      Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

      You might be right about a pre-set number for certain attributes, however my RTTS experience is the total opposite. I have been getting called up to the majors way to early.. as a 73 OVR 2nd Baseman, with 2 80 OVR 2nd Baseman ahead of me and in the majors as well. This is even with average-below average stats and not always passing my goals.

      That is why I think there is a pre-set number on some attributes. That would be the reason for me always getting called up too soon. Perhaps I just tend to work on the attributes that the game is programmed to look at when calling players up.

      Maybe we can get a developer to comment on what really causes a team to call you up.. I would assume it's a top secret formula though..............
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      • Instant C1a55ic
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        #4
        Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

        Originally posted by BoomerHB52
        Great post and I agree completely. That happened to me. In my first year, I gained a lot in contact and power (started in the 40's. In September they were reaching the 70's) I was called up in september to the Majors but the following season I got send down to AAA for the majority of the season. Why? Well, basically all my others atts were very low. Especially Vision, Discipline and Clutch. They were all in the 30's. That second season (year 2014) in AAA really helped me to increase the stats in those categories. The following year I was already a starter in MLB and even though my stats were a little bit to low, I managed to climb up and now I'm the best player to have ever step in the field

        Basically, even if you have contact in 150, but your others key attributes like vision, discipline and clutch are way too low, it's going to take time to get you called up.
        EXACTLY! I wish I could have worded it that well, but I have mild OCD and I have to explain everything with an example!

        I too thought stats were everything, because in real life they are. But in real life, they also don't get atts in number form to see what needs to be improved. That's in benefit for us wither we are the manager or RTTS player to evaluate and fix just like a scout would in real life.
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        • Instant C1a55ic
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          #5
          Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

          Originally posted by G3no_11
          You might be right about a pre-set number for certain attributes, however my RTTS experience is the total opposite. I have been getting called up to the majors way to early.. as a 73 OVR 2nd Baseman, with 2 80 OVR 2nd Baseman ahead of me and in the majors as well. This is even with average-below average stats and not always passing my goals.

          That is why I think there is a pre-set number on some attributes. That would be the reason for me always getting called up too soon. Perhaps I just tend to work on the attributes that the game is programmed to look at when calling players up.

          Maybe we can get a developer to comment on what really causes a team to call you up.. I would assume it's a top secret formula though..............
          Who did they send down in order to call you up? Because if that player wasn't really any good, its my guess you were the best option to call up at that time and your stats/atts/position had very little to do with it. IMO it may have been a desperation move, but a benefit for you

          I have had in instance where I had a SP in my RTTS spend 4 months in AA and 2 WEEKS in AAA and get called up because of a trade that didn't net a decent starter in return. I was the best possible option I suppose. But during the offseason I got sent back down once a decent SP was signed.
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          • G3no_11
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            #6
            Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

            Originally posted by alexbraun
            Who did they send down in order to call you up? Because if that player wasn't really any good, its my guess you were the best option to call up at that time and your stats/atts/position had very little to do with it. IMO it may have been a desperation move, but a benefit for you
            Well it wasn't necessarily a call-up, but after the season I was invited to spring training and even after simming preseason a few times, I always made the big league roster on the bench.

            However, I went back to a previous file and simmed the season but keeping my overall right where it was and when I entered the offseason as a 71 OVR instead of a 73, I didn't get the invite to spring training.

            I know there are other factors, such as free agent signings and other player progression but that is why I think there is a set attribute/rating number that decides when you get the invite to spring training.
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            • Frank is the Tank
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              • May 2012
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              #7
              Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

              Completely agree with you Geno, my only problem is hitting over .500 with 30 HRs in AA in Mid-June hasn't got me called up yet... I mean they have guys in AAA hitting barely half what im hitting avg/HR wise. If this came out negatively I will apologize for it.
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              • Bluejaysfan65
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                • Jun 2011
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                #8
                Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

                Completely agree. People should read this post before they start posting/complaining on how they're not getting called up.
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                • Instant C1a55ic
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                  #9
                  Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

                  Originally posted by Frank is the Tank
                  Completely agree with you Geno, my only problem is hitting over .500 with 30 HRs in AA in Mid-June hasn't got me called up yet... I mean they have guys in AAA hitting barely half what im hitting avg/HR wise. If this came out negatively I will apologize for it.
                  Ok, i am no way trying to come off rude... but read the first post.

                  THIS is what i mean folks, its not about stats! There is no need for you to apologize, and i do apologize if i am coming off rude, but the first post says it all.

                  In your eyes yes, you do deserve the call up, but look at your atts and tell me if you really belong in AAA or in the Majors.
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                  • vinny_77
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                    #10
                    I'd just like franchise control while playing RTTS. Everybody could have exactly what they want.

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                    • Instant C1a55ic
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                      #11
                      Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

                      Originally posted by vinny_77
                      I'd just like franchise control while playing RTTS. Everybody could have exactly what they want.
                      Where is the fun in that? Its called "Road to the SHOW" for a reason. No ones road is easy or fun...
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                      • CFav
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                        • Nov 2006
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                        #12
                        Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

                        My only issue with this is when the reason given for not being called up, is that you are not currently on the 40 man roster and that they do not want to waive anyone. I would normally not have an issue with this, however in my case, I had a higher overall rating than my MLB counterpart (86 OVR, with well balanced atts, compared to 79 OVR) and the two lowest members of the 40 man were single A players with ratings in the 40's and 50's respectively (one knuckler who retired after the season due to ability and a RF). Stats wise, I hit around .380 with 40 something HR's and 140 something RBI.

                        With that being said, I agree with your observation and theory, however I don't think it is a one size fits all thing in relation to the call up logic. I do think that age has something to do with the call up logic. If my player was 22 yrs old in his second season of crushing the ball, I would have been called up earlier, as opposed to being a 19 yr old in the same situation.

                        I did sign a contract as a MLB starter by the way (same team...BoSox) to start my 3rd year and have been starting in LF ever since. So they did eventually make room for me on their 40 man, just a half season or so too late IMO.


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                        • Instant C1a55ic
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                          Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

                          Originally posted by CFav
                          My only issue with this is when the reason given for not being called up, is that you are not currently on the 40 man roster and that they do not want to waive anyone. I would normally not have an issue with this, however in my case, I had a higher overall rating than my MLB counterpart (86 OVR, with well balanced atts, compared to 79 OVR) and the two lowest members of the 40 man were single A players with ratings in the 40's and 50's respectively (one knuckler who retired after the season due to ability and a RF). Stats wise, I hit around .380 with 40 something HR's and 140 something RBI.

                          With that being said, I agree with your observation and theory, however I don't think it is a one size fits all thing in relation to the call up logic. I do think that age has something to do with the call up logic. If my player was 22 yrs old in his second season of crushing the ball, I would have been called up earlier, as opposed to being a 19 yr old in the same situation.

                          I did sign a contract as a MLB starter by the way (same team...BoSox) to start my 3rd year and have been starting in LF ever since. So they did eventually make room for me on their 40 man, just a half season or so too late IMO.
                          40 man logic is a whole different bag of beans, i personally have never had an issue with being told there wasnt room on the 40-man.

                          However you are right, i never intended any of this to be a complete 1 dimensional perspective on call up logic. Call me crazy, but in my franchises its rare i call up a guy to stay permanently before the age of 25 unless im desperate or hes just that damn good. Now when you say balanced stats, is there a way you could post a photo? I am just curious to see where you are at.
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                          • CFav
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                            • Nov 2006
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                            #14
                            Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

                            Originally posted by alexbraun
                            40 man logic is a whole different bag of beans, i personally have never had an issue with being told there wasnt room on the 40-man.

                            However you are right, i never intended any of this to be a complete 1 dimensional perspective on call up logic. Call me crazy, but in my franchises its rare i call up a guy to stay permanently before the age of 25 unless im desperate or hes just that damn good. Now when you say balanced stats, is there a way you could post a photo? I am just curious to see where you are at.

                            I could, but it's mother's day and my fiance has the run of the house atm (the TV to be specific). Honestly though I am in my 3rd season overall, in The Show and I am now around a 92 overall so I no longer can show you how my attributes were last year. However I can tell you that I was in the mid to high 70's in contact and power, high 70's in clutch...high 60's in the connected atts....75 durability....low 40's in bunting...55 in speed, around 45 ability with low aggression, and low 60's in arm/acc and fielding/reaction.

                            This is all off of memory of course. So please take it with a grain of salt, but it is pretty accurate. I do believe that your train of thought is correct, but I do think that age had something to do with it the chance of being called up.


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                            • shadow2201
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                              #15
                              Re: My take on RTTS and not being called up

                              My personal opinion is, if you don't like being kept down in AA or AAA then don't play RTTS! It's part of the experience, guys get stuck in AA and AAA all the time, and even dominate for multiple years, but don't get called up until they are thought to be ready! Just because you can hit the ball with all authority that doesn't mean you're ready! I enjoy playing RTTS, whether I get called up in the first month, or the 3rd year, I don't care. It's part of the experience. The whole point of RTTS is to work on your guy, play down in the minors for a year or two, get called up, it should be an amazing feeling when you get called up, if you have to play 2 seasons in the minors then it'll make you appreciate the call up even more! If you just want to automatically be on the majors roster or be there after a month, create a guy in franchise mode and put him wherever you want him and move him whenever you see fit! I think a lot of these people are missing the point of the mode of RTTS. It's called a "road" for a reason. The road is long and tough! Enjoy it!

                              P.S. - What is up with everyone's RTTS hitter being able to hit .400 with 40 HR's and 120 RBI's? We have the settings on Rookie? lol!
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