Destined to lose?

[Perfect Zero]

Re: Destined to lose?

I think that's the point the OP is trying to make. It still happened to you, it's just that because you ended up winning, you pass it off as being real baseball. I think the user before you got it right when saying that the show makes certain things happen (errors, balls going under gloves, tightened strike zones) in order to mask shoddy programming. Baseball is a very difficult game to get right with all its nuances, and unfortunately this game, while close, doesn't get it right either. Some people attribute it to 'just being baseball,' but the reality is that some of these weird happenings happen too frequently and just at the right time to allow the user or CPU to make the game competitive.

I see stuff like this and then I watch the games in real life. Take for example last night when the Rangers had virtually put away the Astros and ended up not only having to go to their closer, but having these runs come with no outs on the scoreboard. 8-4 becomes 8-7 after a number of errors and good hits. Baseball happens, that's they way it go.

[barsoffury]

Re: Destined to lose?

I don't think that these, funny,mystery,etc, plays. What ever you want to call it are built into the game to make you (the user) lose. One thing I've seen in this game and what might be a large cause for these sudden blowups, losses, what have you, are/is momentum. Momentum plays a massive role in this game.

[Jordyn]

From technical perspective (i.e., programming), it's actually much more tedious to code in some sort of scripted scenarios.

Oh I don't think it's scripted at all, I think it's just a competitive edge given to a team that may be down by a lot. Momentum also plays too strong a role no question. And didn't someone say the original Show have an option to turn off this competitive edge feature?

[nomo17k]

Re: Destined to lose?

Oh I don't think it's scripted at all, I think it's just a competitive edge given to a team that may be down by a lot. Momentum also plays too strong a role no question. And didn't someone say the original Show have an option to turn off this competitive edge feature?

I remember that's some rating boosts that the game gave to the losing side back in MLB 09 or some other earlier iteration. But it has been removed since... and what it did was just to give rating boosts. It was not like the game really was making certain plays happen to make things interesting.

From what I gather, the only things that could be considered some sort of momentum system is hot/cold streak (which is still just a small rating boost/penalty based on recent performance), which I don't believe is dynamic within a single game.

Another thing is that, while there's little visible indication, the effectiveness of a pitcher appears to dynamically change based on how you pitch. For example, if you keep relying on a particular pitch and overuse it in a game, then its effectiveness diminishes, because CPU has seen it so often and gets used to it. This also seems to be done in terms of slight rating boost/reduction. For more detail, see:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043493906

I think this particular post will be a true classic.... Something that keeps living even after The Show franchise and/or Operation Sports forums cease to exist. Probably posters and memes will be created about it when '10s become en vogue in a few decades.... Like the Beatles stuff.


In short, nothing is destined to happen, but if you have certain patterns that you tend to fall into, the game will catch up to you and you'll be punished.

[geisterhome]

Re: Destined to lose?

Anyone who plays this game on a difficulty higher than All-Star knows the validity of the original post, especially if you play a season or franchise without simulating games, which when simulating imo negates some of the wonky things that go into those loosing or winning streaks.

To simulate the ups and downs of a real life slump in a major league season, the show often implements little things to continue a streak whether it's loosing or winning.

This.
I don't think there is a real comeback code in the game but much rather a losing or winning streak one in franchise mode. There are those games (streaks) in franchise mode where you just win easily. Every time i make contact its ending up being a hit and at the same time i'm getting strikeouts on mistake pitches. Often makes me raise the difficulty and regretting it later.
And then are those periods of the season where I just can't win even though there were times before I was dominating the CPU with just the same difficulty settings and sliders. This makes me replay games. I can't stand it sometimes when I keep making good contact with good timing and still I'm not getting any hits. And on the other hand the cpu is getting hits on pitches out of the zone. Of course this can very well happen in real baseball but the thing that proves it too me that it isn't just happening due to bad luck is that those things dont change no matter how often i replay the game, its the same every time. So see that im sure there is some code in the game aiming to create losing and winning streaks.

[wudl83]

Re: Destined to lose?

I don't own the Show, I am a 2k12 player since I only got a PC. But I tend to agree that most results in those games are based on the player and a lot of strange games are caused by your attitude, emotions and your concentration.

As you can see I am Giants fan and you all know that Romo is the closer.
I have blown numerous saves with him. First I thought the game is tricking me but after some time I noticed my strange behavior. Let's make an example. I lead 3-1 in the bottom of the 9th and bring Romo in to close. I was acting very concentrated pitching the 8 innings before and mostly threw well placed and well thought pitches. But now the bottom of the opponent's lineup comes up and all I think is "well they can't hit anyway, all I have to do is get those lousy hitters out". Then I start throwing slider after slider into the strikezone and guess what? The save is blown sooner than later.
It took me a long time to realize things like that.

Yesterday I played the Twins against the White Sox, Hernandez (really bad) was my SP, Quintana (more bad than mediocre) was the Sox' SP. Since I know that Hernandez is a really bad pitcher I tried really hard, was concentrated on every damn pitch I made and although he could only go 6 innings because of his low stamina the White Sox only scored 2 runs off him. The opposite took place in my at bats. I know that Quintana is not the best pitcher so I tried to hit every pitch of him, no matter how far outside the zone it was. Result was I was getting K after K and I got more and more angry and my plate discipline got even worse. He took me 7 shutout innings before he was pulled, I only got 3 hits with 1 walk, no run and he struck me out 10 times. After he was pulled the game showed the chart with his location of pitches and I was shocked. Would I have been patient I would have drawn at least 5 or 6 walks...

And things like that happen so often. I get a good hitter to the plate like Trumbo or Beltre and all I do is swing swing swing...

But in most cases it is much too late when I realize what I am doing. It's like becoming another person when I play lol...

In the one game I got to pull Verlander after 5 because I thought with Verlander I do not have to spot pitches well, they won't hit me whatsoever. But then they bombed me. In the next game I throw a complete game shutout with Joe Blanton because every pitch is selected and spotted well because I thought about selection first.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Destined to lose?

I played a game this afternoon that really got me mad. The opposing team got 5-6 hits straight up the middle for singles, meanwhile, my guys hit it straight up but right at the pitcher, just bad luck I guess. I won the game and so not a big issue, except for the fact that kind of stuff happens and it's annoying!

[ThrowBack]

Re: Destined to lose?

So another year and another thread about comeback code claims.


I did a simple google search for “comeback code” for all of the major sports titles and I found that every game has been accused of having a comeback code.


So is this some kind of grand conspiracy or are people just jumping to conclusions?




MLB 2k


https://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=282509


MVP Baseball


http://www.mvpmods.com/index.php?showtopic=7381


High Heat Baseball


http://simcentral.net/forums/showthread.php/8302-Comeback-Code




NBA 2k


http://www.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k/542808-2k-should-ashamed-2k12.html


Madden


http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-its-game.html


NHL


http://www.operationsports.com/forums/ea-sports-nhl/450839-comeback-code-ai-cheating-boosting-threads-discussion-everybody-read.html


FIFA


http://www.operationsports.com/forums/ea-sports-fifa-discussion/586316-here-wiki-comeback-effect-cpu-has.html

[Jordyn]

I just had one of these badly:

Up 3-1 in the 7th. Michael Pineda cruising, but got Joba Chamberlain in the pen in case trouble brews. First batter ground out. Next batter is Matt Weiters. Quick 1-2 count. Throw fastball for chin music which he conveniently laces into the corner for a double. I knew this was the start of it...alway starts with some nonsense like that. Reimold with a chopper to the pitcher. Pineda fields cleanly but gets caught in the dreaded pitcher animation and everyone is safe. Sigh! Machado doubles to make it 3-2 so I bring in Joba. Sac fly ties the game at 3. Markakis singles and the Orioles conveniently take a 4-3 lead.

Bottom 7 I get the lead off hitter on with Gardner up so figured I'll sac bunt. Nope. Two fouls bunts lead to a k. Nothing else happens.

Top 8. Single. Single. Single. Bring in Logan. Single and error. HBP. Double. 8-3. Game. Set. Match.

This one didn't feel like baseball. It felt like a video game saying it's time to lose.

[Cavicchi]

Re: Destined to lose?

I just had one of these badly:

Up 3-1 in the 7th. Michael Pineda cruising, but got Joba Chamberlain in the pen in case trouble brews. First batter ground out. Next batter is Matt Weiters. Quick 1-2 count. Throw fastball for chin music which he conveniently laces into the corner for a double. I knew this was the start of it...alway starts with some nonsense like that. Reimold with a chopper to the pitcher. Pineda fields cleanly but gets caught in the dreaded pitcher animation and everyone is safe. Sigh! Machado doubles to make it 3-2 so I bring in Joba. Sac fly ties the game at 3. Markakis singles and the Orioles conveniently take a 4-3 lead.

Bottom 7 I get the lead off hitter on with Gardner up so figured I'll sac bunt. Nope. Two fouls bunts lead to a k. Nothing else happens.

Top 8. Single. Single. Single. Bring in Logan. Single and error. HBP. Double. 8-3. Game. Set. Match.

This one didn't feel like baseball. It felt like a video game saying it's time to lose.

Were most of those singles up the middle?

[Jordyn]

Were most of those singles up the middle?

Yes sir, though not sure I see the relevance.

[AK4t7]

Re: Destined to lose?

i was destined to lose last night w/o a doubt and no one can tell me otherwise.
ok ill save u guys the whole story of me getting the lead about 4 or 5 times to only give it up on several bloops and a few blasts(all done by terrible to average players at best on the mets i.e. mike baxter , anthony recker, and kirk newenhuis who apparently is the greatest baseball player to ever live considering what he did to me in the subway series)..ok skip past the torn finger ligament to ichiro that will leave him on the 60 day dl and all the other bs that happened...bottom 9 tied 7-7 garret jones(claimed off waivers) leads off w/ a double..chris stewart bunts him over to third so i have this game basically in the bag right? not so fast..jeter walks and as hes trotting down to first(remember jones is on 3rd) the game has a monumental glitch and garret jones starts to trot home and is celebrating as if it were a walk off base hit..no one else in the stadium of virtual players and ppl are celebrating or even notice but garret is still just jumping for joy..i thought maybe the run would count or maybe when the next at bat started jones would be back on third where he belongs but nope..now its just jeter on first and the winning run at third just dissappeared..this was a hard fought see-saw type game to this point so i was furious and decided to take it out on my computer chair which woke everyone up in the house...neway i managed to calm down and cano hit a chopper in a spot on the infield that even if they had been playing in on the grass jones would have scored to win the game but nope..now jeters on second and teixeira is up when the game should b over and the yankees should have a win...i managed to barely squeek a base hit up the middle on a soft liner just out of the reach of justin turner and jeter scored to win the game...this is fortunate b/c if i wouldve lost that game i dk if my copy of the show 13 would still be in one piece

[Cavicchi]

Re: Destined to lose?

Yes sir, though not sure I see the relevance.

Look harder

I was batting against my team for one batter, because I knew he was supposed to get a hit. I bunted the ball and Adrian Gonzalez had the ball before the player ran past him, easy out. However, instead of tagging the runner, Gonzalez stood there looking to home plate as if to throw to home--for no reason I could see because there was no runner on third. I have the video--which is one of the most ridiculous plays I've ever seen.

As far as I'm concerned, if CPU wants to get a hit, it will. If it wants to get you out, it will. Now this is my take and others will I'm sure disagree.

I am not talking about comeback, just in general. Actually, I haven't seen evidence of comebacks. Still, I feel as I do about hits and outs--based on my play in Beginner Mode.

[nomo17k]

Re: Destined to lose?

I cannot resist it. I'm supposed to keep this secret (as I signed a NDA at SCEA)... but I cannot keep it to myself any longer.

Indeed, what I've heard from programmers is that the game is coded to make certain things happen in certain situations... .... and that includes all those weird plays to make you lose the game, when you are not playing smart. It also happens when you are playing smart though... you'd still lose a lot of games even if you do whole a lot of things right.

There I said it... something I was supposed to keep secret.

... it's definitely not comeback code (which doesn't exist), but the game is coded to produce those weird moments for sure.... just as you see in real-life baseball.

[Bobhead]

Re: Destined to lose?

I cannot resist it. I'm supposed to keep this secret (as I signed a NDA at SCEA)... but I cannot keep it to myself any longer.

Indeed, what I've heard from programmers is that the game is coded to make certain things happen in certain situations... .... and that includes all those weird plays to make you lose the game, when you are not playing smart. It also happens when you are playing smart though... you'd still lose a lot of games even if you do whole a lot of things right.

There I said it... something I was supposed to keep secret.

... it's definitely not comeback code (which doesn't exist), but the game is coded to produce those weird moments for sure.... just as you see in real-life baseball.

Just don't tell them about the secret self-destruct feature.