Can we make our own game?

[tulsu]

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Oops!! Forgot to mention what I'd like to see more than anything else in a football game.

Instead of fantasy football, you draft a full roster before the season. Players are re-rated at the end of the season based on how they performed. Then the teams in each league play their season in the video game.

[SpeedyMikeWallace]

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I posted this a couple years ago in a different thread. This one seems to be more appropriate for it:

My pipe dream football game is one that is ultra-customizable.

- Custom teams: logos, colors, uniforms, locations (almost anywhere across the globe), and custom stadiums.

- Full league customization: location, number of teams, season format (traditional, round robin, double round robin, etc), rules (Pass interference? Intentional grounding? Roughing the passer? Not in my league!), and more.

- Your choice of developmental system. Want to stay with the traditional HS > College > Pro system? Go ahead. Want to completely revamp it and have a soccer-style development system where your scouting young players and developing them yourself? Go for it! Want to have some hybrid, like MLB? Why not?

- The game would include a HS/youth level, a mid-level development/college level, pro levels, and international levels.

HS/Youth - Purely for scouting.
Mid-level development/college - Playable and scoutable.
Pro - A person can have one dominant pro league or multiple levels. Can even link the levels with promotion/relegation if desired.
International - For franchises and countries. I love international play in FIFA and Rugby 06. If you have multiple leagues set up in different countries, why not have the ability to set up a competition where they're pitted against each other? Why not include IFAF member countries?

Also, a Youth level international competition (U18), a mid-level international competition (U21), and a senior international competition (anyone as long as they're good enough).



Games are expensive to make (not as expensive as some on here have estimated). $500,000-$750,000 could really get a decent PC game built (you can buy a really good physics engine for like $60,000). If it's made to use PC gamepads, it wouldn't even really be much different than playing NCAA or Madden, aside from probably graphics, production value, and, of course, the licensing.

[ktownage]

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Ok I am going to attempt to make this game with very little knowledge of how to make a game. I do know some of the logic though from programming experience.

Now I will admit i give up on projects very easily because of boredom, so in a week this project may be over or maybe in 3 years il have it complete

we'll see, but i'm going to do attempt at this.

[K33057]

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If someone could make a game with 2k8 onfield play, Madden 4+ grafics and everything else like FB Pro98, it would be a GREAT game!

[Hooe]

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i guess we just need the right person to stumble across this post. like getting discovered in a drug store by an agent

This is the worst idea. Nobody is going to just stumble across this post and be like "Hey I am an unemployed programmer. This sounds like a fantastic opportunity."

Also, there's the problem that non-licensed football games do not make money, and an unemployed programmer unfortunately needs to eat.

Backbreaker, All Pro Football 2K8, and Maximum Pro Football by most accounts did not do well financially. Blitz: The League did okay, relatively speaking, but the Blitz name had pre-established clout (NFL Blitz series) and there was plenty more to that game than football as it had a fleshed-out setting, storyline, and atmosphere; these factors separated from every other sports title on the market.

[Juce734]

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Looks like since I last visited this has gained a little bit of steam. Are you guys working on this together outside of this thread? Looks like multiple people are doing their own thing and haven't combined many efforts on this.

[SkillzKillz719]

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Sounds like the guy with the screenshot honestly has direction in where he is going.

All's that left is communication it looks like.

[zardon]

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Unless you have the artists/skills to do a 3D app, it might be easier to do like a retro football sim app. I guess GridIron heroes already does this, but you could do something similar using sprites from football games that already exists.

Admittedly doing this will be expensive as you need art, animation, all sorts and you need to plan for everything in advance.

Perhaps it might be just easier to do an app where you have simple sprites to see if you can do the app; heck just use rectangles put in html5/css3 using ImpactJS or one of the other JS frameworks out there and make it open sourc to speed up the development or put it on kickstarter to raise funds to get the artwork.

Thanks

[Kingd803]

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I'm getting everything ready to start work on a generic football game. Based on the NfL. But with a twist. It is going to be set in the 1980s. The player models will look like they came out of the 80s. With retro equipment. And classic stadiums.

I will also include tight fitting jerseys like you see in today's nfl in case the 80s aren't you're thing. You can create a current team.

I need people to help me with this. If you are serious email me. [email protected]

I will have examples soon.

[zardon]

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I guess you could rip the art from a NES game or something

[fondfoat]

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If you guys can put together a top notch SIM Football game, ala "Front Office Football" I would help fund the project.

I would like to sit down and go over the project.

Front Office Football is just missing some small items but its almost there. 2D Animation would help out, besides some other items. Must be able to play online.

Perhaps contacting the developer would be a better course of action. If he had funding he may revisit the project.

[rickdubs]

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Yeah but we only "have the power to change the course of football video gaming history" if someone hands him a bag of cash with almost $25k in it in the next 57 hours. If someone gives him $50k then we get "2D Real-Time Physics Engine", "pack-in animation set", and some commentary in the next 2 months.

There's so much fail in this post. For one, $25K is mere peanuts in game development especially the type this project was engaged in. Second, he had 2 other people working with him that needed to be paid SOMETHING to do all of the rest of things in development and there is nothing wrong with using Kickstarter as a route for that (do you think you deserve to get something for free?). Third, I, along with Ryan Moody and a few other people, was lucky enough to get my hands on a few of his prototypes to discuss on my old blog (I just emailed him and asked him). They worked really well and the later one I got was a 3D RTP tackling engine and a helmet editor. I admit, the 3D RTP one was a bit on the slower side compared to the 2D one but not too bad for a prototype made by one guy.

Fourth, none of that was supposed to be finished over "2 months". He was releasing a basic framework at that point that was being built on over time which is typical of many Kickstarter projects.

It was a good project, the best indie one yet for our situation, but if I were him I wouldn't have bothered though. The so-called football gaming community is full of paranoid conspiracy theorists and complainers who don't get behind anything but badmouth every effort as if they have something better coming along (though you don't, all you have is Madden and probably Madden forever). Your post is proof positive of that self-destructive mentality. Oh well, enjoy that Madden mess I guess. It's what you all deserve for doing zilch and getting behind nothing for like 10 years. How's that new Madden 25 CGI trailer treat'in ya's? Hahahahahaha! Madden 06 all over again. Enjoy.

Sidenote: Why is Dave Murray thumbing up your post when he himself used Kickstarter to fund a remake of a game that was already perfected like 20 years ago and will do nothing to help us out of this hole (and quite frankly didn't really need funding to begin with since it could've been done for free by one guy as similar little projects of his kind have been before)? And no one saw that as a problem, but something new like the Gridiron Gamepak that would've actually helped us OH CHRIST we can't have THAT!

Could this "community" be any more bass ackwards? Jesus!

[mestevo]

There's so much fail in this post. For one, $25K is mere peanuts in game development especially the type this project was engaged in. Second, he had 2 other people working with him that needed to be paid SOMETHING to do all of the rest of things in development and there is nothing wrong with using Kickstarter as a route for that (do you think you deserve to get something for free?). Third, I, along with Ryan Moody and a few other people, was lucky enough to get my hands on a few of his prototypes to discuss on my old blog (I just emailed him and asked him). They worked really well and the later one I got was a 3D RTP tackling engine and a helmet editor. I admit, the 3D RTP one was a bit on the slower side compared to the 2D one but not too bad for a prototype made by one guy.

Fourth, none of that was supposed to be finished over "2 months". He was releasing a basic framework at that point that was being built on over time which is typical of many Kickstarter projects.

It was a good project, the best indie one yet for our situation, but if I were him I wouldn't have bothered though. The so-called football gaming community is full of paranoid conspiracy theorists and complainers who don't get behind anything but badmouth every effort as if they have something better coming along (though you don't, all you have is Madden and probably Madden forever). Your post is proof positive of that self-destructive mentality. Oh well, enjoy that Madden mess I guess. It's what you all deserve for doing zilch and getting behind nothing for like 10 years. How's that new Madden 25 CGI trailer treat'in ya's? Hahahahahaha! Madden 06 all over again. Enjoy.

Sidenote: Why is Dave Murray thumbing up your post when he himself used Kickstarter to fund a remake of a game that was already perfected like 20 years ago and will do nothing to help us out of this hole (and quite frankly didn't really need funding to begin with since it could've been done for free by one guy as similar little projects of his kind have been before)? And no one saw that as a problem, but something new like the Gridiron Gamepak that would've actually helped us OH CHRIST we can't have THAT!

Could this "community" be any more bass ackwards? Jesus!

Where did I say I wanted anything for free? The sums and timeframes are from his kickstarter page, not my imagination. The biggest difference between you and I is context. You actually got to see and use what he claims was being made. We didnt.

We watched an active member of this community become an indie developer, have a long active thread about his product, then disappear. He temporarily resurfaced with a story about how life had gotten hard, only to disappear until showing up to make a single post with hat in hand asking the community to fund something completely different. I would have even become a backer if there was anything of substance - but there wasn't, he didnt even stick around to answer questions. His behavior here in addition to the relative dearth of content to go with the promises led to the failure of his kickstarter, not this community. He failed on his own and this thread moved on. Appears he did too.

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[rickdubs]

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Where did I say I wanted anything for free?

Your tongue-in-cheek complaint about a measely $25K as if he was asking for millions of dollars. That's how this community thinks, that's why they've gotten behind nothing but still cry about the problem. You all think you're owed something.

The sums and timeframes are from his kickstarter page, not my imagination.

Nope. Your imagination. Like I said before, it was clearly stated what he was doing and it wasn't how you're framing it all. I'm not sure what part of "preliminary version" and the escalating build concept displayed you didn't understand, but clearly you misunderstood. Your misunderstanding is your own fault, but it's born from a desire to be negative more than likely. It's what you all do.

The biggest difference between you and I is context. You actually got to see and use what he claims was being made. We didnt.

Complete nonsense. There were videos, screenshots, docs, and videos of other people using the protoypes on other sites. If you didn't see that, it's your own fault for not paying attention, but why try to be a conspiracy theorist when your claims are not well supported? Oh, of course, that's what conspiracy theorists do. My bad. I forgot.

We watched an active member of this community become an indie developer, have a long active thread about his product, then disappear. He temporarily resurfaced with a story about how life had gotten hard, only to disappear until showing up to make a single post with hat in hand asking the community to fund something completely different.

For starters, you didn't watch him "become an indie developer". If you ever bothered to read, you would've known that he already was that long before showing up here (he built Neo-Racer for Wild Planet), it was a while back but he still did it and that's more than any of the many so-called developers around here can say.

The "hat in had" part is awfully melodramatic (and ridiculous) since it was far from that. Listen to how the hatred just seeps from you? I read that stuff, and all I saw was a person who was trying to work with a "community" of people who do nothing but talk junk and don't help out, like you did there and are doing now. So what he changed projects? Big deal, does he need your permission for that, too? Gimmie a break, dude. You're on one tall horse.

The other thing is, you act as if he's not human and isn't allowed to take care of a personal situation. Right, who does he think he is to go through something in life? Only YOU deserve to have tough times in life, right? Yeah, he shoulda stuck around and kept working with a bunch of venom spewers instead. Man, you sound so selfish, as if he owed you something. Get over yourself dude. He didn't owe you squat. You spent no money and gave no help, so he owed you zero. He's a grown man, he can come and go as he pleases, he doesn't have to answer to you or anybody else. I mean, dude, are you serious?

I would have even become a backer if there was anything of substance - but there wasn't,

More nonsense. I guess the vids, screenshots, and the people who were posting prototype videos, that was all an illuuuuuuuuuuusion? Yeah man. And he was hiding aliens in his cooler too man! Hahahahaha!

he didnt even stick around to answer questions.

I seen those threads. The activity was low so what was the point? You're acting like there was a barrage of questions, but there weren't. By the time anything was coming here the project was far past the point of its possibility of being funded. The support wasn't there. I don't blame him.

His behavior here in addition to the relative dearth of content to go with the promises led to the failure of his kickstarter, not this community. He failed on his own and this thread moved on. Appears he did too.

Garbage. His behavior here was impeccable, especially when you consider how juvenile most of you were towards him. I never would've been as nice to a bunch of smart mouthing jackasses for as long as he was with the people here. All the man did was try to get something going, and venom spitters like yourself turned a negative eye like you always do. Just like they did with APF, BB, Blitz, Maximum Football, Quickhit, Tecmo Bowl Throwback, and everything else.

Nope, the community failed, again, like it always does. But blame someone else for your own inaction, I mean that's what the football gaming "community" has been about for 9 years anyway, with its wild conspiracies of everybody trying to get them, and nothing is real, and blahbiddy blah. Blame EA, blame 2K, blame the NFL. No. It's the so-called "community" not getting behind a damn thing, that's the problem. All we needed to do is get behind one thing and things would be different. But the community failed over and over again, and that's why you're getting nothing but Madden forever, and that's not a conspiracy that's a harsh reality.

I know I shouldn't get so worked up about this, but I hate seeing people getting dragged through the mud when 1. the people don't know what the hell they're talking about and 2. When a person was just trying to doing something good. This world is so screwed up. Damn.

[Hooe]

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Closing this thread because it is quickly degenerating following this latest bump and I want to cut it off at the head.