Contested shots go in too often while wide open ones do not go in enough

[cardinalbird5]

I feel like an A+ shot has about a 60 pct of going in, while a C+ or B- shot goes in like 50 pct of the time. It is getting annoying to run plays to get guys wide open and getting A to A+ shot selection only to miss, miss, miss, yet my opponent can dribble down court...pass to the wing and jack up a 3 with a hand in his face and make it.

I've put my on ball def to 100, off ball def to 100, help def to 0, play everyone tight, and deny off ball yet they can still jack up shots and stay in the game. I have tried manually guarding them, letting the cpu do it, closing out hard then letting the cpu take over, etc. It doesn't matter.

I don't like putting any of my settings to 100, but I feel like I have to online. I like playing good defense with good helpside defense, but you can't do so online as everyone just lives and dies by the 3. The problem is they are not being punished for running no offense, shooting with no momentum, letting their rebounders get in position, etc. It is just frustrating...

Any tips??

I feel like one of my problems is rebounding too. I have fastbreak on 0 and soon as the shot is up I switch to my C/PF and hold LT to box out. Then it seems like their guy morphs through mine or spins around, times the jump perfect, then kicks it back out for another open 3. So rebounding a problem too I guess.

BTW I've used mainly the Pacers and Grizzlies online. I would think those are good teams to use for defense, but I am seeing too many contested shots go in.

[blakdice]

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Hey man dont worry its not only you, this game continually punishes people that play the RIGHT way. While giving the morons who run around and slash to the paint and one's and offensive rebounds. The sad part is winning involves giving James Harden the ball 40 times equals more success then spreading the ball around on a team like the trail blazers

[Finess]

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True story being told here, it's crazy, I just finished a game against my peoples and he made like 90% of all contact layups. Best advice is to stick to it, hell sometimes I like to take out my frustration by running PG (Pacers user as well) through some picks and dunking on people.

[al2k4]

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I feel like an A+ shot has about a 60 pct of going in, while a C+ or B- shot goes in like 50 pct of the time. It is getting annoying to run plays to get guys wide open and getting A to A+ shot selection only to miss, miss, miss, yet my opponent can dribble down court...pass to the wing and jack up a 3 with a hand in his face and make it.

I've put my on ball def to 100, off ball def to 100, help def to 0, play everyone tight, and deny off ball yet they can still jack up shots and stay in the game. I have tried manually guarding them, letting the cpu do it, closing out hard then letting the cpu take over, etc. It doesn't matter.

I don't like putting any of my settings to 100, but I feel like I have to online. I like playing good defense with good helpside defense, but you can't do so online as everyone just lives and dies by the 3. The problem is they are not being punished for running no offense, shooting with no momentum, letting their rebounders get in position, etc. It is just frustrating...

Any tips??

I feel like one of my problems is rebounding too. I have fastbreak on 0 and soon as the shot is up I switch to my C/PF and hold LT to box out. Then it seems like their guy morphs through mine or spins around, times the jump perfect, then kicks it back out for another open 3. So rebounding a problem too I guess.

BTW I've used mainly the Pacers and Grizzlies online. I would think those are good teams to use for defense, but I am seeing too many contested shots go in.

Also, the game jack up defense keep them from get punished with fastbreaks after jack up a missed 3. So they jack up stupid 3s and almost have perfect defense on the other end.

[stillfeelme]

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I have played enough games that I can say that the probability to be on on is probably higher than normal. I wouldn't be surprised if everything has been bumped up by 10% for online for either lag, casual friendly. The other part I think is missing is offline I am more than likely to see a longer drought of guys not making shots by using the bench more. Fatigue is impacted but not nearly what it should be.

[bls]

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This is what I've been trying to say. The game was not like this when it first came out and that's a fact. You could barely make a layup with contact or heavy defense on you when the game first came out. It was ultra realistic. I'm talking the first game I played I could do nothing but smile.

It's been downhill ever since.

[DamnYanks2]

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There's no consistency to this, I've had both scenarios happen, and there's really nothing suspect there.

[CaseIH]

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Maybe I just havent played enough games cause Im not seeing this. I see a lot of wide open shots go down, and contested missed. Matter fact I cringe every time the team Im playing I end up leaving a guy open cause it seems they dont miss and will make me pay I think I have played around 10 full games and thats full games minutes per qtr wise too, cause I cant play any less than what it is IRL. So far in the limited time I have played I have been extremely happy with gameplay. Im sure once I get into playing it more I will find some flaws, but as of now I havent had much to be upset about for once thankfully. Its not on MLBTS level but its awful close this year, and maybe with the right patch to fix some Association stuff it could be as good or maybe even better.

[Sundown]

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Layup and non blocking defense is pretty much broken in the packaged sliders, or at least simulation anyway.

[DamnYanks2]

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I'm just not seeing this stuff, there's no consistency. If it was going in 75% of the time then I understand. But that's not the case, it seems fine to me.

[cardinalbird5]

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Don't mistake my post as complaining or whatnot. I love this game, but it just seems inconsistent. Maybe that is for the best? I don't know. I just don't enjoy losing knowing my opponent had no strategy or skills.

Now if someone plays smart, gets open looks, and knocks them down...then I can't complain and blame anyone but myself. Most games do not feel like this and if you guys plays online a lot you know what I am talking about. Your average joe does nothing to his settings except maybe set everything to tight/deny in the pre-game menu. Then their whole offense is either A) come down the court and pass to the wings and jack up a 3 with a hand in their face. I am guessing they are getting C grades on those shots? B)Dribbles around the perimeter until they hedge with one of their wings and it causes confusion and separation from the defender for a split second...then they try to jack up a 3 off the dribble. Sometimes they are open, but most of the time I am able to recover to get a hand in their face. C)Or they hold turbo and try to get in the paint to get a layup animation. I played a guy last night who do the hop step lay up every time with Irving. I won, but it is so annoying seeing this strategy work at times.

This is my favorite 2k so far, but it just feels inconsistent at times. I am not complaining about missing A+ shots at times. What I am complaining about is my opponent making shots off bad shot selection and me contesting them.

I also never play offline really, so this is mainly for online.

[ksuttonjr76]

Man, the OP just described my experience with online games precisely. Maybe this experience is more specific to Pacers and Grizzlies users? I said this last year, and I'm going to say it again...for being a top defensive team, it doesn't feel like that I'm using one when I play with the Pacers in online games.

That's why I created the thread about using Danny Granger in online games. I can be wide open with Granger and miss a perfectly wide open shot with an excellent release, but my opponent can make a contested or contact shot in the very NEXT possession. That is what frustrates me about the game. Being a Pacers user has not been fun, since NBA 2K11.

[cardinalbird5]

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Man, the OP just described my experience with online games precisely. Maybe this experience is more specific to Pacers and Grizzlies users? I said this last year, and I'm going to say it again...for being a top defensive team, it doesn't feel like that I'm using one when I play with the Pacers in online games.

That's why I created the thread about using Danny Granger in online games. I can be wide open with Granger and miss a perfectly wide open shot with an excellent release, but my opponent can make a contested or contact shot in the very NEXT possession. That is what frustrates me about the game. Being a Pacers user has not been fun, since NBA 2K11.

I kind of felt that way using Indiana. I don't think there is a code to make them lose, but I think they need to give some of their players better defensive ratings. I lost to a GSW user and he was awful. I am just being honest too. He dribbled around mindlessly, doing no isomotions, just trying to find a bit of space to jack up a 3 off the dribble. Yet I was smothering him on defense he still shot like 50% from 3. But on my end I missed so many wide open shots.

All I know is I would never lose to these type of guys last year. I used Indiana for 3-4 games and I lost a few times with them. Memphis and Chicago felt like much better defensive teams. Chicago has 3 guys with lockdown defender, plus Hinrich and Noah are beasts on defense too. I felt like I was using a good defensive club when I used them.

Oh and West is bad in this game...at least for me. He missed so many shots under the basket. One possession I backed my guy down and he wasn't bringing a double team so I went to work. I did a drop step towards the baseline, pump faked to make him jump and shot an uncontested standing layup under the basket. David West bricks it and he gets the rebound and goes down court on a fastbreak.

I can't stand this commentator as he is incredibly cheesy, yet arrogant. Watching some of his games where he constantly pauses it and brags about his 3 point shooting ability drives me insane. One of his videos he said he wasn't a cheeser by doing hop step 3 point shots, but he said moves like the Spin Dunk and Euro Step 3 was cheese. Okay sure...I agree, but in one video he said the way he'd counter users that used Horns plays vs his 1-3-1 is that he would switch from zone to man then back to zone so the play art would disappear...and this guy claims he doesn't "cheese".

Anyways I do agree with him on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MHeW...BW8GaQtNd45I0n

I know it isn't the largest sample size, but I feel like this every other game. I also realize he didn't show the makes or bad shots that went in. However he missed a ton of A to A+ shots. He actually missed 9 wide open perfect release 3's out of the 27 he took. There may have been more, but in previous years half of those go in, if not more. He should have 12-15 more points that game alone.

[PS3 resident wlh1361]

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I 100% agree, but 1st off I don't want to sound like one of those sore losers who complain about a game because they suck at it, I've been playing myPLAYER mode since the Title's release date and have only lost twice. It's just the way you have to play to win is redundant and boring, I mean come'mon...Drive the hole, Drive the hole, Drive the...well you get it. My biggest complaint this year is that if you ain't hitting the hole making lay-ups or drawing a foul then you can't WIN. Literally, I've played with Durant & Westbrook BOTH TERRIBLE at hitting open shots and winning 1O1 (unlike real life or last year's game) then I got traded to the Golden State Warriors who doesn't have much "D" besides Andre Iguodala who they just picked up this year. But ask anyone and they mother and they would tell you, "When it comes to shooting?" Steph Curry & Klay Thompson will shoot your lights out. But when I got there, with my Pass OVR at 92 and my "Dimer" skill equipped and ready. I was hitting these dudes on the wing uncontested & open like Walmart but STILL!!, they shots couldn't touch a Rim if they worked at DUB MAGAZINE. So I checked the ratings just to make sure, and just like Durant & Westbrook there Ratings and Signature Skills was proper. So I ask..."HOW CAN KEVIN DURANT & STEPH CURRY NOT HIT OPEN SHOTS" but yet, some no namer from the Atlanta Hawks or Bobcats can hit Contested Shots and as many 3's as they damn well please. I've turned this game on Simulation & Default in myPLAYER mode, NO DIFFERENCE. Tell me, what's the reason we buy Simulation games instead of Arcade games?...Because we want it to be as "Real as Possible" right. Otherwise we might as well save a buck and just go out and buy the latest addition of NBA JAM. Just saying, Players should reflect they're ratings/ skillls or else why even bother calling it a Simulation when the game is going to end up being about as REAL as Nicki Minaj's you know what.

"When Games Compete? We Win, When Games Have No Competitor...Well"

GAME'MON

[bodymore]

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I get frustrated sometimes too.Especially when playing against a zone and you are WIDE open. I would advise against taken threes early in the shot clock also. Also when taken threes out of a run play you tend to have a higher chance of an offensive rebound because the defense will be out of position.

The funny thing is I will be frustrated all game and then when I look at the box score I will be like 3-7 from downtown which isn't that bad. I think we are so use to it being automatic in video games that we tend to overreact.

The fact is if you watch real games there are a ton of missed wide open 3pt shots. Even a Ray Allen can have bad games. He very rarely shoots 6-6 or even 5-6 from downtown. He is a career 40 pct shooter.

I remember watching the finals and the Heat benching Battier because he was like 2 for 15 for the entire series. Then in game 7 he went 6 for 8.