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[aholbert32]

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I meant period, better than any predecessor's post play animations.


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I dont think thats true. I played APF last night and I say there post play animations are about equal to what I've seen in the dev video and E3 videos. I'm glad to see that EA caught up in that regards. Its a shame it took 6 years though.

[Blue12]

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It seems to me like this game will require you to have a higher football I.Q. to play. If some of the improvements they've been touting actually play out well, I will be more than happy with the game.

My biggest problem with madden is it gets too easy to score and stale. I've been craving a game that replicated the real life chess match that happens in football. I want every game to feel different and unique. This game may no totally be there yet, but it looks like their headed in that direction.

The guys in the live stream really came across as football junkies and not nerdy EA sales people touting worthless features. I like the direction.

[jpdavis82]

Madden NFL 15 Developer Livestream, Watch it Here

I dont think thats true. I played APF last night and I say there post play animations are about equal to what I've seen in the dev video and E3 videos. I'm glad to see that EA caught up in that regards. Its a shame it took 6 years though.

I'm glad EA caught up but I still say they surpassed them. I can't get past the player models in APF, they look really bad compared with M15 especially the O line. That's another area that M15 shines in for the first time in a long time, most of the player models look excellent.


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[TFer832]

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I'm glad EA caught up but I still say they surpassed them. I can't get past the player models in APF, they look really bad compared with M15 especially the O line.


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well i mean I would hope m15 player models looked better.

a lot of APF was ported from ps2/xbox days. And player models didn't change too significantly after 2k3. So those player models are in essence 12 years old.

[Pookac81]

I'm not sure when the NFL 2K fans will stop with the Madden hate. It's like the Lynn Bias argument, he would have been great had he not bit the dust. I agree, make an espn 30 for 30 about 2k5 and call it a day. I loved 2k5; was sorely disappointed when it was snatched away.. madden looks like they are trying to fix some bs about the game. Like I said earlier, 25 was fun until I started playing against folks who ran the flag combos all day (online children have no shame). Get excited folks.... This will be another fun game.

[Pookac81]

I thought the ratings were coming out today

[aholbert32]

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I'm glad EA caught up but I still say they surpassed them. I can't get past the player models in APF, they look really bad compared with M15 especially the O line.


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I dont know how the player models looks relates to the animations. Im not even willing to give Madden 15 much credit until I see more. They continue to focus on individual post play animations when in real life most celebrations after a play are done in groups.

For example, whats more likely to happen after a tackle for a loss...one person celebrating by doing a dance while the rest of the team pumps their fists OR 3 or four of the tackler's teammates going over to congratulate him.

I say the second thing happens 70-80% of the time in the NFL when that play happens but I dont think I've seen any group celebrations in the videos I've seen of M15. Even if its in M15 it definitely doesnt happen enough to be realistic.

[aholbert32]

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I'm not sure when the NFL 2K fans will stop with the Madden hate. It's like the Lynn Bias argument, he would have been great had he not bit the dust. I agree, make an espn 30 for 30 about 2k5 and call it a day. I loved 2k5; was sorely disappointed when it was snatched away.. madden looks like they are trying to fix some bs about the game. Like I said earlier, 25 was fun until I started playing against folks who ran the flag combos all day (online children have no shame). Get excited folks.... This will be another fun game.

Dont turn this into a 2k v. Madden thread...last and final warning.

[GiantBlue76]

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well i mean I would hope m15 player models looked better.

a lot of APF was ported from ps2/xbox days. And player models didn't change too significantly after 2k3. So those player models are in essence 12 years old.

The detailed player models are wonderful, and yes, they are much better than a game that was basically built form the original xbox (shouldn't they be?). However, great graphics mean nothing if it looks like dog poop when it moves, which Madden still suffers from. I can play APF today and still see the organic line play and the life that each player has. It looks and feels like football. Madden still looks weak in motion, even on the line. Better than past Maddens? Of course, but still not organic. I still see too much sliding around on the O line and what looks like robots scrambling to follow the sorting algorithm they built. I want to see a struggle at the line, which is what APF shows me. I don't feel that there is a simple win/loss outcome. Much of "winning" at the line of scrimmage does not equal beating your man and penetrating. That is one form of a "win", but ultimately winning depends on filling gaps, pushing/collapsing the pocket and setting edges. All three of those can be accomplished without a simple "disengage and sack QB" type of deal - which is EXACTLY what Madden 15 still does. It's much better than it was, but to be honest, it's not hard to improve on what was there before. With a bit more refinement, Madden's line play can really shine. The interactions between the O and D needs to become more organic.

[TFer832]

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The detailed player models are wonderful, and yes, they are much better than a game that was basically built form the original xbox (shouldn't they be?). However, great graphics mean nothing if it looks like dog poop when it moves, which Madden still suffers from. I can play APF today and still see the organic line play and the life that each player has. It looks and feels like football. Madden still looks weak in motion, even on the line. Better than past Maddens? Of course, but still not organic. I still see too much sliding around on the O line and what looks like robots scrambling to follow the sorting algorithm they built. I want to see a struggle at the line, which is what APF shows me. I don't feel that there is a simple win/loss outcome. Much of "winning" at the line of scrimmage does not equal beating your man and penetrating. That is one form of a "win", but ultimately winning depends on filling gaps, pushing/collapsing the pocket and setting edges. All three of those can be accomplished without a simple "disengage and sack QB" type of deal - which is EXACTLY what Madden 15 still does. It's much better than it was, but to be honest, it's not hard to improve on what was there before. With a bit more refinement, Madden's line play can really shine. The interactions between the O and D needs to become more organic.

I agree completely. In a weird way I sort of always preferred apf/nfl2k's graphics up until maybe now. Idk something about them just worked with their animations and player movement.

I don't want to get yelled at for talking too much about APF.. but in addition to organic line play in APF.. i sometimes just turn it on to see ball interactions. You can still get unreal tipped catches and tipped interceptions in that game. Madden still has almost none of those things. I think Ball physics is the next mountain to climb that would change the game (after animations & wr/db stuff). Removing the ball from being magnetized from players hands would make it 1000 times more organic and realistic.

The way this dev team is pushing the game.. I think if animations go through an overhaul... and if they continue to improve presentation and atmosphere aspects.. madden can really start becoming a sim title. I'm not convinced it is fully on that path yet tho.

Big F'n Deal was saying that other day about removing a lot of the visual feedback on higher difficulties... and I absolutely agree with this. The first thing I do when I play madden is remove the strategy pad display and player names. The emptier the screen.. the better to me.
We need like a hardcore COD mode for madden. Where if turned on, you don't see anything a player on the field wouldn't see. (obviously other than scoreboard, and user player ring)

[jpdavis82]

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Clint just confirmed the CPU will utilize the pass rush moves and even bluff blitz and QB contain using adaptive AI


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[jpdavis82]

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I dont know how the player models looks relates to the animations. Im not even willing to give Madden 15 much credit until I see more. They continue to focus on individual post play animations when in real life most celebrations after a play are done in groups.

For example, whats more likely to happen after a tackle for a loss...one person celebrating by doing a dance while the rest of the team pumps their fists OR 3 or four of the tackler's teammates going over to congratulate him.

I say the second thing happens 70-80% of the time in the NFL when that play happens but I dont think I've seen any group celebrations in the videos I've seen of M15. Even if its in M15 it definitely doesnt happen enough to be realistic.

I would say based on the stream, which remember was trying to hide presentation, there were plenty of 2 man post play celebrations, group celebrations are usually only after TDs and I think there were only fgs in the stream. We'll know more after the presentation stream. What I did notice was how one player started to celebrate and another would come and interrupt the celebration to join them, I thought that was pretty cool. It looked fluid too, no awkward pauses or anything.


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[countryboy]

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Clint just confirmed the CPU will utilize the pass rush moves and even bluff blitz and QB contain using adaptive AI


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Sweet!

Link?

[Hooe]

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Sweet!

Link?

Here, appears the CPU won't use block steering but will use everything else:

@tazdevil20 and yes, the CPU utilizes the same everything as the user except for block-steering. Your 4 studs will be studs.

[strawberryshortcake]

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I agree completely. In a weird way I sort of always preferred apf/nfl2k's graphics up until maybe now. Idk something about them just worked with their animations and player movement.

I don't want to get yelled at for talking too much about APF.. but in addition to organic line play in APF.. i sometimes just turn it on to see ball interactions. You can still get unreal tipped catches and tipped interceptions in that game. Madden still has almost none of those things. I think Ball physics is the next mountain to climb that would change the game (after animations & wr/db stuff). Removing the ball from being magnetized from players hands would make it 1000 times more organic and realistic.

The way this dev team is pushing the game.. I think if animations go through an overhaul... and if they continue to improve presentation and atmosphere aspects.. madden can really start becoming a sim title. I'm not convinced it is fully on that path yet tho.

Big F'n Deal was saying that other day about removing a lot of the visual feedback on higher difficulties... and I absolutely agree with this. The first thing I do when I play madden is remove the strategy pad display and player names. The emptier the screen.. the better to me.
We need like a hardcore COD mode for madden. Where if turned on, you don't see anything a player on the field wouldn't see. (obviously other than scoreboard, and user player ring)

Just look at EA's Fifa title to know that it can be done. From what I do see, there's certainly ball physics to the soccer ball. One can pass to a certain spot, and both the defender and offensive player can attack the ball. The ball in fifa is not exactly scripted so to speak. When the goalie kicks the ball to center field, the ball is "loose," and who gets the ball is dictated by who's in the proper position. During passes/crosses, it's really determined based on the players position on the field. You can overpass or underpass your intended target. No warping, no suction animation, no suction interactions, great footplanting, unadvertised true step, jostling between offensive and defensive player really fighting for the ball. Better pursuit angles. A lot of things done correctly in Fifa.

EA Madden needs to use the Ignite sharing feature and take these crucial gameplay element and put it in Madden. OS member Valdarez mentioned something about how EA Madden does things differently (something related to frame rates, etc. etc.), and Big FN Deal touched on it as well. But to take Madden to the next level, they really need to probably bring in a coder/programmer along with their tech from Fifa -- maybe they did this already, but they really need to be adamant about implementing some relevant Fifa technology even if it means rewriting the Madden code.

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