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  • Godgers12
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    • Dec 2012
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    #31
    Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed

    Originally posted by DCEBB2001
    Yup, I agree. They obviously don't use verifiable hard data for metrics that should.

    95 THP for Winston? That's just terrible. Watch all his underthrows at his pro day. They can't even "Youtube Scout" correctly.

    Gurley a 91 SPD? We had him at a 4.52 BEFORE he got hurt. In 2014 we had him at 4.55. That is just awful.

    Gordon is at least closer to justifying that 91 SPD with his best handheld time at the combine of 4.43, but still that is too high. Mariota (4.43 as well) with an 88 SPD is actually close to what it should be, but still a little high. However, Beasley ran a 4.50 hand-held and got an 88.

    So you have Gordon and Mariota who both ran 4.43 but Gordon gets a 91 and Mariota gets an 88. THEN, Beasley ran a 4.50 but he also gets an 88? What the what are they doing over there?
    There is game speed then there is gym short speed.
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    • charter04
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      #32
      Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed

      Originally posted by Godgers12
      There is game speed then there is gym short speed.

      I'm sure EA only goes by "game speed". That's why it's so consistently inconsistent.


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      • georgiafan
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        #33
        Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

        The biggest thing that jumped out to me was Winston's speed being overrated he ran 4.97 at the combine and has a 73 speed and 81 agility. He wasn't a threat to run the ball in college either as in 2 years he has 258 yards, 7 TD and under 2 yards a carry. With his size and strength numbers he will be a threat to pick up more yards in the game then in real life
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        • oneamongthefence
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          #34
          Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

          Originally posted by georgiafan
          The biggest thing that jumped out to me was Winston's speed being overrated he ran 4.97 at the combine and has a 73 speed and 81 agility. He wasn't a threat to run the ball in college either as in 2 years he has 258 yards, 7 TD and under 2 yards a carry. With his size and strength numbers he will be a threat to pick up more yards in the game then in real life
          He's rated almost identically to Josh Freeman when he came in and had very similar combine ratings. So it looks pretty consistent.
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          • tommycoa
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            • Nov 2008
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            #35
            Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed

            Originally posted by charter04
            I'm sure EA only goes by "game speed". That's why it's so consistently inconsistent.


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            • DCEBB2001
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              • Nov 2008
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              #36
              Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed

              Originally posted by Godgers12
              There is game speed then there is gym short speed.
              Game speed is a complete myth. Players are never faster on the field.

              "Game Speed" is a product of athletic ability combined with anticipation, reaction, and technique.

              Jerry Rice was never faster than a 4.58 over the course of 40 yards, but watch some of his route-running cutups from old 49er practices and you will see why he was able to turn a 1-yard cushion into 6 yards of separation after the top of his route. His ability to keep up that "4.58 speed" through his breaks without slowing down considerably allowed him to do so.

              He didn't play faster; his technique allowed him to not slow down as much as his competition did when reacting to his breaking ability.

              "Game Speed" is about technique, not speed.
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              • gr18
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                • Sep 2007
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                #37
                Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                Their thought process is that they have the players overall in mind and are dead set on it.Winston probably came out a 78 or 79 overall and they decided the best way to get him to 81 and a few points past Mariota would be to bump up his speed and throw power a couple of points.

                Sadly,this is just what they've done forever.They basically rank the players by position and start toggling attributes to get to their desired result regardless of legitimacy.

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                • DCEBB2001
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                  • Nov 2008
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                  #38
                  Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed

                  Originally posted by charter04
                  I'm sure EA only goes by "game speed". That's why it's so consistently inconsistent.

                  Yup, which is exactly why we get speed boosts to players after a good game. If my team knocked over every defender on the field and I was able to limp to a 99yd TD (yeah, I kinda tore my achilles in a game this past March), I would get a speed ratings boost too with that crappy rating logic.

                  You know what game speed really is? A MLB with SPD=68, AWR=99, and PRC=99 getting to the sideline before a RB with SPD=99 because he knew the tendency of the formation, play concept, and proper pursuit angle. THAT is "game speed".

                  Can we simply move to strike the phrase "game speed" from all future discussions around here?
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                  • Number999
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                    #39
                    Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                    About what I expected.... sigh. I know you can't rate these guys all 60s but I was hoping that a lot of them already wouldn't be rated higher than proven veterans.
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                    • NDAlum
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                      #40
                      Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                      It doesn't matter they are low. Just boost their AWR and their OVR jumps to like a 90.

                      That's my problem with how they rate guys.
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                      • KingV2k3
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                        #41
                        Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                        Originally posted by NDAlum
                        It doesn't matter they are low. Just boost their AWR and their OVR jumps to like a 90.

                        That's my problem with how they rate guys.
                        Yeah, they have the rookies come in with disproportionately low AWR and then jack the other attributes to jiggle them up to a decent OVR...

                        If you use XP on AWR, you end up with a few HOF level players in every draft class after a couple seasons...

                        Add the ratings issues to the legacy issues with progression / regression / XP and "Confidence" to the AI not valuing ANY player that's below a 75 OVR and you have one cascading mess...

                        Once they arrive at a realistic rating system, those ratings need to not only translate to how they play out on the field, but how they fit into the "off the field" universe as well...

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                        • sir psycho
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                          • Jun 2012
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                          #42
                          Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                          Originally posted by NDAlum
                          It doesn't matter they are low. Just boost their AWR and their OVR jumps to like a 90.

                          That's my problem with how they rate guys.
                          Agreed. Just look at Mariota's ratings, they're crazy. 87 short accuracy, 88 mid accuracy, 90 throw on run. That combined with the great athletic ratings and he's already a top 10 QB in the game despite the 78 OVR...and despite having never taken a snap in the league and having plenty of question marks(like all rookies).

                          We need to get some "Dan for Ratings Czar" bumper stickers printed up...

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                          • GoodImmigrant
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                            • Jun 2008
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                            #43
                            Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                            New Madden Curse
                            All the rookies who complain about their madden rating are going to be busts in the NFL.

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                            • Godgers12
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                              • Dec 2012
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                              #44
                              Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                              Originally posted by georgiafan
                              The biggest thing that jumped out to me was Winston's speed being overrated he ran 4.97 at the combine and has a 73 speed and 81 agility. He wasn't a threat to run the ball in college either as in 2 years he has 258 yards, 7 TD and under 2 yards a carry. With his size and strength numbers he will be a threat to pick up more yards in the game then in real life
                              You can't use college rushing numbers to gauge a QB's rushing ability since sacks count against a QB's rushing yards in college whereas they don't in the NFL. So 258 yards and 7 TD is actually pretty impressive over a 2 year span for a pocket QB.
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                              • Hiro1
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                                #45
                                Re: Madden NFL 16 Rookie Ratings Revealed - Top 10

                                Originally posted by georgiafan
                                The biggest thing that jumped out to me was Winston's speed being overrated he ran 4.97 at the combine and has a 73 speed and 81 agility. He wasn't a threat to run the ball in college either as in 2 years he has 258 yards, 7 TD and under 2 yards a carry. With his size and strength numbers he will be a threat to pick up more yards in the game then in real life
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                                I too hate many of madden's ratings, but Winston's speed is one of the least I'm concerned with on that list.
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