Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

Why isnt the game complex enough for a scout lol

If you are seriously asking that, then you don't know basketball. The game attempts to mimic and replicate real-life situations but if you seriously think the AI's decision-making comes anywhere close to replicating a human, you are sadly mistaken. The game is on rails. There are like two attributes where a scout would even be necessary.

without players having the correct attribute ratings you will never get the correct "simulation stats

And how do we determine what is the "correct" attribute rating? STATS. What a scout "sees" and what a player "produces" are two entirely different things.

NBA scouts dont need to understand video games at a high level they could just give 2k the grades they have on players abilities and 2k can adjust them to the rating scale.

Not only does this sound like a giant, impractical waste of time, it's a slap in the face to Da_Czar, OG, and every other non-"Scout" developer with decades of video game experience who have 2K playing more realistically than it ever has before.

A scout shouldn't have to take any time out to go to 2k for anything.

Enjoy this fantasy world that you live in; this is not how a successful video game studio operates.

If scouts are so good at editing ratings and have oodles of time to spare, then where are these custom rosters edited by real NBA scouts?

I personally think that 2k should change the OVR system every postion should have different play styles and depending on what play style they have different attributes will affect the OVR rating differently.

They already have such a system in place.

This way you wont for example have to raise Nash's on ball defensive rating to get his OVR where you want it because for a Pass First PG defensive attributes would weigh less heavily and his offensive ones would weigh more aligning his OVR to where 2k want it to be.

Irony: You can reduce Nash's On-Ball Defense to 55 and it doesn't affect his OVR rating one iota.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

by reading the description for the stat it is clearly affected by teammates
no need to be condescending
if you were as smart as you think you are you would be working for 2k instead of crying about ratings all the time up here ��

Correcting misinformation isn't the same as being condescending, and if you read my post as such you might want to refrain from posting on internet forums.

Notice the difference yet?

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

RPM
Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors

When the stat says it is taking into account teammates etc it means it is taking these factors into account and NEUTRALIZING them. This is how the stat DIFFERS from "Plus-Minus" the now-commonly used box-score stat that is ACTUALLY influenced by teammates/opponents. Hence why the stat is literally called "REAL" Plus-Minus.

[dxyyz1]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

And how do we determine what is the "correct" attribute rating? STATS. What a scout "sees" and what a player "produces" are two entirely different things.

Attribute ratings should be determined by ability and not statistics. One example is Hassan Whiteside his rating shouldve already been higher because he had shown his ability in college,overseas, and the DLeague before he had those breakout games for the Heat last year but wasnt rated correctly because he didnt have enough stats in the NBA to give him his correct attributes SMH...

[cbpo]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

by reading the description for the stat it is clearly affected by teammates
no need to be condescending
if you were as smart as you think you are you would be working for 2k instead of crying about ratings all the time up here 😂

DRPM isn't affected by teammates. Had this argument with someone else. It is literally why the stat was created to eliminate the skewing from teammates with traditional box/minus.
This is straight from the creators of the metric
"[The] metric isolates the unique plus-minus impact of each NBA player by adjusting for the effects of each teammate, opposing player and coach. ... The RPM model sifts through more than 230,000 possessions each NBA season to tease apart the "real" plus-minus effects attributable to each player, employing techniques similar to those used by scientific researchers when they need to model the effects of numerous variables at the same time."

"It reflects the impact of each player on his team's scoring margin after controlling for the strength of every teammate and every opponent during each minute he's on the court.

[cbpo]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

Attribute ratings should be determined by ability and not statistics. One example is Hassan Whiteside his rating shouldve already been higher because he had shown his ability in college,overseas, and the DLeague before he had those breakout games for the Heat last year but wasnt rated correctly because he had no stats in the NBA to give him his correct attributes SMH...

This doesn't make sense lol. What does "abilities" mean. Whiteside's rating should not have been higher because of his play in other leagues lol. Your play overseas or in D-league has very little correlation to how you play in the leage.
Tons of players dominate overseas and in D-league and then suck in the nba(Ex: Jan Vesley) and vice versa players also sometimes suck overseas and then do good in nba(Ex: Jennings).
At the time he wasnt in the leage on a roster his ratings should've sucked but then he proved his worth in the league and now his ratings are adjusted accordingly.

Ratings should be completely determined by statistics as much as possible lol. Numbers do not lie, at least very minimally over an 82 game sample size.. This is why people still thinking westbrook is a good defender simply because he has the "tools" or "abilities" as you say but in reality he is not. His defense is sub-par and it's reflected in both his individual defensive stats as well as his team's.

Based off "abilities" Javale Mcgee should be a hall of fame Defensive big and Duncan and Marc Gasol should be bad defensive bigs.

[dxyyz1]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

This doesn't make sense lol. What does "abilities" mean. Whiteside's rating should not have been higher because of his play in other leagues lol. Your play overseas or in D-league has very little correlation to how you play in the leage.
Tons of players dominate overseas and in D-league and then suck in the nba(Ex: Jan Vesley) and vice versa players also sometimes suck overseas and then do good in nba(Ex: Jennings).
At the time he wasnt in the leage on a roster his ratings should've sucked but then he proved his worth in the league and now his ratings are adjusted accordingly.

Ratings should be completely determined by statistics as much as possible lol. Numbers do not lie, at least very minimally over an 82 game sample size.. This is why people still thinking westbrook is a good defender simply because he has the "tools" or "abilities" as you say but in reality he is not. His defense is sub-par and it's reflected in both his individual defensive stats as well as his team's.

Based off "abilities" Javale Mcgee should be a hall of fame Defensive big and Duncan and Marc Gasol should be bad defensive bigs.

by ability i just wasnt talking about athleticism Jan had an almost non existent offensive game the only thing he could consistently do was dunk the ball lol and Javale had bad composure and didnt understand his game coming into the league both them had pretty big flaws teams thought they could fix but didnt. Marc and Tim on the other had didnt have major flaws like those. Marc didnt reach his potential til later and both him and Tim really worked on maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses to become the players they are today.

[cbpo]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

by ability i just wasnt talking about athleticism Jan had an almost non existent offensive game the only thing he could consistently do was dunk the ball lol and Javale had bad composure and didnt understand his game coming into the league both them had pretty big flaws teams thought they could fix but didnt. Marc and Tim on the other had didnt have major flaws like those. Marc didnt reach his potential til later and both him and Tim really worked on maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses to become the players they are today.

Don't disagree with anything you just said but that was sort of where my point was coming in, that just by watching a player in another league or pre-nba you have no idea how that will translate down the road, just like with your duncan and gasol example, they worked hard and obviously have a high IQ. It's impossible to accurately guage how a player will perform in the NBA. It's the reason busts exist lol such as hakeem thabeet, kwame brown, darko etc. Based off of his overseas play, skills and "abilities he displayed every scout thought Darko was going to be incredible, if you look at scouting reports from that time some even thought he should be picked ahead of lebron lol. But we all know how that turned out. Was just providing evidence as to why a subjective view of "abilities" from a scout or someone else would be a terrible mistake.

[dxyyz1]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

Don't disagree with anything you just said but that was sort of where my point was coming in, that just by watching a player in another league or pre-nba you have no idea how that will translate down the road, just like with your duncan and gasol example, they worked hard and obviously have a high IQ. It's impossible to accurately guage how a player will perform in the NBA. It's the reason busts exist lol such as hakeem thabeet, kwame brown, darko etc. Based off of his overseas play, skills and "abilities he displayed every scout thought Darko was going to be incredible, if you look at scouting reports from that time some even thought he should be picked ahead of lebron lol. But we all know how that turned out. Was just providing evidence as to why a subjective view of "abilities" from a scout or someone else would be a terrible mistake.

I understand where your coming from but I just personally think that if 2k paired up with a NBA scouting agency or the local Warriors NBA scouts and translate grades they have on NBA players and prospects to the 2k rating scales they would have a much better system then what they do now, not trying to throw any disrepect towards what Mike Stauffer does.

[houston911]

Re: Some of these ratings prove that the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

we're all in agreement that an on ball defense rating of 84 for steve nash is ridiculous

2k knows it's ridiculous, because if you look at nash on the 2002-2003 mavs they gave him a 65 on ball defensive rating.

just fix the rating 2k

we're doing an online league with some legends thrown in and we're trying to avoid manually editing players. if you could give him his proper rating that would be great.

[KyotoCarl]

Re: Some of these ratings make it seem like the 2k team doesn't watch/play basketball

Sorry, your post is just stupid.

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