Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

[SonicMage]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

http://youtu.be/s8QnahY3Sx8
Well...

Well what?

http://on.nba.com/1YNIUUg

http://on.nba.com/1YNJUIi

And here's most of his dunks on the year, mostly two handed dunks in breakaway transition. He's obviously an athletic guy but he's not out there doing dunk contest dunks every night.

http://on.nba.com/1YNMVZ5

Showing a guy's highlight reel doesn't really capture all sides to a player's game. We're trying to model a real player here, not a highlight reel of a player.

[javicd21]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

Lol I remembed I played in an Online league in 2k11 (I think) and some dude picked JR Smith 1ST OVERALL!!!

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[knick9mm]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

You need athleticism, you need the ability to shoot, you need the ability to have enough handle where you can get from point A to point B.

JR Smith can do ALL of those things, which is why anyone can dominate with him in a video game.

He has deep range
Good enough handle to create
Athletic

When you use him in the game, he no longer has the issue of having a low basketball IQ. You now control that.

So when people complain about JR SMith being a God in these games, what can 2K do about that?

2K JR Smith is basically the virtual version of JR the year he won 6th Man with the Knicks: Unstoppable

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[ojandpizza]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

The real is you guys take certain skills and jump to conclusions. Jr was never going to be better than dwade or a top 5 guard in the nba. I would say he.has a ove avg ball iq just because he didnt fill your expectations doesnt mean hes stupid.



I dont think jr could have turned out better than he is

Why couldn't he have? He's a great shooter, and a elite level athlete. He can handle the ball, he can shoot off the dribble, off a screen, spotting up, there isn't much from a skill/talent standpoint that he can't do.

It's mostly the mental aspect of his game that suffers. He has terrible shot selection, he takes plays off, lacks consistent drive/hustle, his off ball defense is absolutely atrocious. It doesn't seem as if he's ever cared enough to want to be better, to want to fit within a team concept.

I'm not going as far as saying he could have been D Wade, but to think he couldn't be better than what he is with all the tools he has is a little ridiculous.




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[Young Coaches]

Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

This might be the best Earl to ever Earl in ANY 2k game. I mean, he's been great in pretty much every 2k that I can remember even with a low rating, but this year he is insane.



His size ups are insta blow byes, His dunks are crazy good, He plays great on ball defense, and his shot is extremely fast and easy to get good releases on.



Right now I'd rather play with JR Smith than Kyrie Irving. He's insane.

The way 2k has heightened defense in his game has my copy still in the shelf. I'd be surprised if I don't see a patch. Everyone who I've played and used Cavs has locked down my Spurs pick and roll offense. If you saw me play, you wouldn't believe I was ever in the top 10 leaderboards since 2k3. So it's not just JR smith.


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[MrBallaBoy21]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

Not sure why so many people think I'm complaining.

[lilteapot]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

The real is you guys take certain skills and jump to conclusions. Jr was never going to be better than dwade or a top 5 guard in the nba. I would say he.has a ove avg ball iq just because he didnt fill your expectations doesnt mean hes stupid.

I dont think jr could have turned out better than he is

he's stupid because we watch him play and he does stupid stuff on the court.

[wodkalol]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

same with everybodys fav 2k Player Gerald green

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

If JR is 2K royalty then Gerald Green is like...I dont know...2K General Secretary of the UN...or something.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

If JR is 2K royalty then Gerald Green is like...I dont know...2K General Secretary of the UN...or something.

Lol, pretty much. When he was on the Pacers, that dude was like instant offense for me in online games. I swear I would get 12 quick points in barely 2 minutes. That fool would catch EVERYTHING when I threw lobs to him, and was a dunking machine.

[HowDareI]

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That's the thing, he didn't do anything flashy in transition last year either, just some breakaway simple two-handed flushes. Then out of nowhere he tries some crazy acrobatic alley-oop...and misses it. And that's what it should feel like to play as JR.

In fact, his lifetime dunk make percentage is pretty bad. This is why he needs the low dunk rating, and low contact dunk rating because like you said, he hasn't dunked over anybody in years. And with the low dunk rating, if he is player controlled and tries something fancy, he should miss just like real JR. Flashy dunk tendency should be mid-high so that AI JR Smith still tries those crazy moves out of nowhere, too.

I mean basically until they change the dunk system guys who we know have crazy verticals and can occasionally bring out some in-game dunk contest stuff (on a break) will continue to be just a little more op.

I mean look at Lebron for example. Hasn't consistently been a guy to dunk on people for like the past 4 years but play a game with him in 2K and he'll get at least a poster or 2 a game. It is better this year but still not perfect.

Anyone remember Terrence Williams from the Nets? He was just as good as Iguodala when he averaged 20 a game for the Sixers lol. Anyone with a mediocre jumper and high dunk could be a star for you in older games.

[MrBallaBoy21]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

If JR is 2K royalty then Gerald Green is like...I dont know...2K General Secretary of the UN...or something.

Haven't played with Gerald Green yet, but I doubt he's as good as POPE Earl III

[VinsanityLives]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

Cavs are just OP in general

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[Real2KInsider]

Re: Is J.R. Smith Always Going to be 2K Royalty?

Knowing when to shoot and when not to are part of your basketball IQ. In that regard, yes I am smarter than a pro basketball player such as JR Smith.

At least in the simplified version of basketball that NBA 2K gives us.

For all the improvements, we're still playing checkers rather than chess.

He could've been possibly better than Wade...look at his range on his shot...he just never had the focus to take the next step...and that's off the court too.

Wade came into the league as a two-way point guard. J.R. Smith was a gunner out of high school. Beyond jump shooting there isn't anything JR did/does better.

I mean you can't complain because he'll never average 25 in a full season in 2K...and quick games anyone can go off so you can't say it shouldn't happen.

That has more to do with tendencies and teammates. In quick games he'll go off much more than the average player, he has the consistency of a star when it is widely known he is streaky.

Oh and we need a transition dunk vs half court dunk rating. Someone like JR might do something flashy in transition, but in a set he's not gonna posterize people.

We technically have that. They added "Contact Dunk" rating but naturally gave him a rating (40, which might seem low, but the average PF/C has 45) equal to Timofey Mozgov. The other issue is 70 Driving Dunk is way too high for a player that dunks 15 times per year. Dunk animations (flashiness) are a signature thing and shouldn't be predicated on dunk rating (how often does an NBA player even pull off a "flashy" dunk? League-wide it's maybe twice a month).

[Real2KInsider]

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That's the thing, he didn't do anything flashy in transition last year either, just some breakaway simple two-handed flushes. Then out of nowhere he tries some crazy acrobatic alley-oop...and misses it. And that's what it should feel like to play as JR.

In fact, his lifetime dunk make percentage is pretty bad. This is why he needs the low dunk rating, and low contact dunk rating because like you said, he hasn't dunked over anybody in years. And with the low dunk rating, if he is player controlled and tries something fancy, he should miss just like real JR. Flashy dunk tendency should be mid-high so that AI JR Smith still tries those crazy moves out of nowhere, too.

Essentially, he hasn't been the same player since knee surgery (the summer after sixth man of year).

2013: 17.6 PER, 52 TS%, 27 USG%, 15 AST%, 16 DRB%, 35% 3PA Rate, 25% FT Rate
Since: 13.8 PER, 53 TS%, 21 USG%, 15 AST%, 12 DRB%, 53% 3PA Rate, 12% FT Rate

He is really just shooting threes now (67% of his shots w/ CLE were threes)

0-3 Feet
2015: 56 FG%
Career: 60 FG%
2013: 64 FG%
2012: 66 FG%

So it's clear he is either
A. Much worse at finishing around the rim
B. Not able to create the opportunities he did in his younger years.

Analyzing his dunk data, he was a big-time dunker his first 4 seasons in the NBA (Age 19-22), settled in as an above average dunker (Age 23-26), and is now just an average dunker given his natural, athletic decline (Age 27-29).

The core issue is that guards RARELY dunk in real life (even Jordan was once or twice a game in his youth - which is NOTHING compared to how many shots he was actually taking) but that is the selling point of the game for a lot of people. People want to dunk with guards, and it is still stupid easy to do so. Lance Stepenson dunked TWICE last season and just think of how many times you banged with him last year if you used him (68 Dunk Rating, 50 Contact Dunk, 50 Standing Dunk, he's actually better than JR here, just can't shoot).