how to choose the proper recruit

[sXeInYoFace]

first off, i play ncaa13 because i think it plays better than ncaa14. also, i usually play with notre dame because, besides my wife and kids, they are my true love. i also know that playing as notre dame, i can probably have my pick of the litter. with that being said and i dont think it would differ much from either game, how do you choose which recruits to recruit? the recruits you pick in the preseason are not scouted yet so you dont know everything about them, all you are given is the 40 time, squat, and i forget the other one. i know obviously if you need a possession receiver or a pass rushing defensive end, that is what you look for. but do you just look for the highest rated possession receiver, or do you delve into the recruiting abyss looking for a guy with a better 40 time and more strength? weight doesnt matter much, at least in ncaa13, and height has some advantage ( i think? ) but not much. so basically, who do you pick?

[SilverBullet19]

Re: how to choose the proper recruit

It really depends. I pick guys that fit my system and what I need. I'm not worried about the best overall QB, I'll gladly sacrafice a bit in overall to get someone a bit more mobile than a dedicated pocket passer. At the same time, I don't want a scrambling QB because I want someone who can hit the passes with accuracy.

WR varies. If many of mine are 6'0" I may base my selections on height to get a jump ball guy. If they're all possession guys I'll recruit a speedster to stretch the field.

So essentially, I recruit to what exactly fits my needs as a team. I delve into ht, wt, strength, and 40 time when needed.

[BookWork123]

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I usually recruit highest rated and adapt my system(i.e. call more option plays with a scrambling QB, call more stretch plays with a speed RB, but nothing too drastic)


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[Cheese2121]

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I tend to be of the same mindset as SilverBullet. I recruit to my scheme. I tend to favor a power run game and a run stuffing defense. So for example on defense, I might look at defensive tackles who are bigger and stronger and will clog up running lanes as opposed to a pure pass rusher.

Sometimes I will also recruit strategically regionally. What I mean by that is; take for example I am Eastern Michigan, I don't want the top players in the state leaving for other schools. Granted I also impose regional restrictions on myself but I digress.

In summary, I recruit to my scheme, I find guys who will fit roles. That being said, there will always be those game changers who come along and you are going to make your offense the center point of that. It is a blend of all of this for me. Wow that was a rambling response....my apologies.

[jello1717]

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Disclaimer: I'm talking about NCAA '14, but you said it shouldn't matter.

As I general rule I ignore the OVR rating (for both recruits and players) and look at their individual skills. I recruit guys that have the skills that I covet.

IE. I only recruit scrambling type QBs so I look @ ACC, SPD, CAR, THP, THA, rushing skills in that order.
For HBs, I always try to have a power back w/ a high TRK and BTK and I'll have a speed back w/ high ACC, SPD, ELU, JKM.
For WRs I try to just get balanced guys since they progress in all of their skills. I'll get a possession guy if he's really good, but I hate that they'll never ever get any faster than they were as a HS player.
TEs I go for receiving guys w/ good height, CTH, CIT, SPD, ACC.
OL must have good RBK and then I'll look for PBK as a distant 2nd.

My DL all must have high BSH. For DEs my 2nd rating is FMV and for DTs it's PMV.
I play a 3-4 so I have a pass rush OLB and a cover OLB.
The pass rusher needs TKL, BSH, PMV or FMV, ACC, and then coverage and other LB skills.
The cover guy needs TKL, ZCV, ACC, SPD, MCV, and then the other LB skills.
My MLBs NEED high TKL above all else. Then I look for a balance of block shedding, coverage, and other LB skills. SPD is nice, but certainly not a must.
CBs need ZCV, then MCV, PRS if they'll play on the outside, and then SPD, ACC.
safeties must have TKL, ZCV and if they have SPD that's nice too. SPD is obviously more important for the FS than the SS.

I watch supersims of my kicks and punts and I subtract 20 KAC from all incoming kickers so I greatly prefer my kickers to be either accurate or balanced (if you're manually kicking FGs you can just get the strongest leg possible and even if he had 40 KAC you'd never, ever miss a FG). I've found accurate punters (or whatever the opposite of power is called) to be much better at coffin cornering punts.

[grabursock55]

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Its interesting to hear about different strategies we have. Personally, I run a very simple offense which almost never changes. It is defferent plays with different effects, but require the same skill set from players. I ALWAYS, get a QB who is very mobile, generally speaking, this isnt an issue when you are ranked highly, because the scramblers are also sufficient passers. My starting HB is always Speed oriented, and I always have a power RB backup. My offense is simple, it consists of a lot of isos, stretches, read options, and triple options out of the I, offset I, and strong shotgun formations. I need speedy players in the backfield, and huge linemen up front. My line does very little pulling, so speed isnt really a factor there.

TLDR- Speed Kills

Now, there have been occasions where I would come into a new school that didnt have a scrambler. Then I would sort of have a transition year where I would go about 50 50 pass/run with a mix of my own run plays, and the previos teams passing plays. I would do this until I was able to get a good, mobile QB who we could start running options with.

[RyanXGrindle]

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I find it very interesting that people change their system based on what they recruit. Obviously this happens in real life, where the coach must adapt to the talent he has, but I've never done it that way in NCAA. The only time I change my offense to fit my players is when I take over at a new school and they don't have anyone close to ready to start who fits my offense. I am like a lot of these guys, I always have a mobile QB (not always a scrambler). Even when I am at a smaller school I go after in state guys that fit with what I want to do, and sometimes you do have to somewhat ignore the OVR rating. If its 20-30 points maybe I will think about changing up my play calls a bit to get the better guy in, but if I have 75 QB that fits my system and an 85-90 that doesn't I have gone with the 75 more then once. As a side note, has anyone ever had a kid that even though he was rated much less then the starter, came in and just had "it"? It's only happened to me a couple of times, but when it does, it is special. Won a national championship with a true freshman that I kept in even after a 99 OVR senior came back from an injury. Kid was on fire.

[binga30]

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I'm a bit different to most here, I play as USC a lot and tend to have pick of the bunch also. I play with the speed threshold at its highest so that a 95 speed guy will always outrun an 85 speed guy.

Therefore I tend to favor recruits with speed. I usually only target a guy if I am in his top 5 and if there are multiple targets I'll go for ones with higher speed rating usually, unless he is a DT where I would look for strength and power.

[NKRDIBL]

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I recruit a bit awkward also. I'll recruit based off of 40 time to start. And always try and recruit the fastest qb if one falls under 4.6. Then look into recruiting the fastest hb, wr and 1 or 2 cb. Every year I try to build speed and play makers. After I have picked my 4 or 5 burners. I will basically go with highest overall at line backer safety te and OL. Since they don't factor in as much to sceme, or I can tailor my D around them some. When filling out the rest of my board. I try and factor in the best overall but with speed. If a cb is rated 73 and running a 4.7 opposed to a 70 and 4.5. I'll always take the speed.

Also for DE and Dt I try and find the fastest guys to a certsin point with high bench press and squat rating. And try and recruit as many bull rushers.

I complety ignore if the game considers someone a speed or possession or blocking or receiving type player.

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[Pandabear218]

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I'm curious but are you guys who are recruiting based on ratings (tackle, catch, zone coverage), are you scouting all these players to find these ratings?


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[jello1717]

Re: how to choose the proper recruit

I'm curious but are you guys who are recruiting based on ratings (tackle, catch, zone coverage), are you scouting all these players to find these ratings?


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I scout 20 guys preseason and then I'm not allowed to scout anyone during the season. Usually about 1/4 of my classes are unscouted before they sign.

If I'm recruiting someone that I haven't scouted, then I'll just go by the letter grades and hope that they're accurate.

[falcor1234]

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I'm curious but are you guys who are recruiting based on ratings (tackle, catch, zone coverage), are you scouting all these players to find these ratings?


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I dont scout. i feel it adds to the realism of it. like i kinda know what im getting but not 100% until they get on campus.

[scdb12]

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I think I am very unique in that I prefer a Pocket Passer over mobile/balanced. I typically run a pro-style offense and a 3-4 defense. I also run a 4-2-5 defense mainly with small schools. The 4-2-5 helps me to make the opponent one dimensional. I think running a pro-style offense makes it harder to win than a spread, spread option, or pistol.

QB Pocket Passer - Min B rated THP B THA
RB Speed and Power - Speed back for my zone running plays and power back for isos and dives.
WR - I tend to try and get tall fast receivers that can stretch the field. I will get a small possession type that I will put in the slot.
TE - I always want a fast past catching TE. Think Vernon Davis
FB - He need to have at least a B in RBK
T - I look for large tackles with high RBK, and Impact blocking. I don't worry about the OVR because with all of my lineman I redshirt and let them develop.
C/G - They need to be a run blockers

I am referring to how I recruit for a 3-4 defense.

DT - I look for large DT with high str, tak, pursuit, and block shedding.
DE - 4.66 40 and lower with good tackling ability and great Finesse moves
OLB - I only look at the speed and OVR for my OLB. If I can get them in the 80's in spd and acceleration, they are typically high performers in sacks and tackles.
MLB - 4.60 and lower 40 with a B in tackling
CB - Need to be 6-1 and taller with at least a 4.45 40. MCV B, ZCV C press C (coverage skills are secondary)
FS - min speed 4.5 priority is ZCV and tackling
SS - speed is tough to come by for this position so I just focus on tackling as the number one priority then
ZCV

[sXeInYoFace]

Re: how to choose the proper recruit

i try to grab the best recruit for what i am looking for, like for example, a run stuffing middle linebacker. however, i have come across a lot of middle linebackers who are at the top of their class who are only 5'10" and weigh around 220lbs. i run a 34 defense with Notre Dame...no way in hell am i going to recruit that middle linebacker. same goes for offensive tackles who are listed at 6'2". now would you recruit that tackle and put him on the interior of the line? that 34 defense i run...i cant have a defensive end who weighs 230lbs...do i look at defensive tackles who have enough weight and speed so i can put them on the outside? i just want to recruit realistically because i know that that 230lb defensive end would play like a 290lb defensive end. is it cheating (for lack of a better word) if i just snatch up all those underweight defensive ends and just change their weights in the edit roster screen and pretend that they went through some strength and conditioning program? sure that is what happens in real life but i just feel that that gives me the capability to just grab every 5 star and make him what i want him to be. does that make any sense? probably not, but that is why the recruiting abyss has my name written all over it...and i fall victim to it everytime.

[Pandabear218]

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I think I am very unique in that I prefer a Pocket Passer over mobile/balanced. I typically run a pro-style offense and a 3-4 defense. I also run a 4-2-5 defense mainly with small schools. The 4-2-5 helps me to make the opponent one dimensional. I think running a pro-style offense makes it harder to win than a spread, spread option, or pistol.

QB Pocket Passer - Min B rated THP B THA
RB Speed and Power - Speed back for my zone running plays and power back for isos and dives.
WR - I tend to try and get tall fast receivers that can stretch the field. I will get a small possession type that I will put in the slot.
TE - I always want a fast past catching TE. Think Vernon Davis
FB - He need to have at least a B in RBK
T - I look for large tackles with high RBK, and Impact blocking. I don't worry about the OVR because with all of my lineman I redshirt and let them develop.
C/G - They need to be a run blockers

I am referring to how I recruit for a 3-4 defense.

DT - I look for large DT with high str, tak, pursuit, and block shedding.
DE - 4.66 40 and lower with good tackling ability and great Finesse moves
OLB - I only look at the speed and OVR for my OLB. If I can get them in the 80's in spd and acceleration, they are typically high performers in sacks and tackles.
MLB - 4.60 and lower 40 with a B in tackling
CB - Need to be 6-1 and taller with at least a 4.45 40. MCV B, ZCV C press C (coverage skills are secondary)
FS - min speed 4.5 priority is ZCV and tackling
SS - speed is tough to come by for this position so I just focus on tackling as the number one priority then
ZCV

It sounds like we run very similar programs so I will be using your recruiting model to help pick new players. (I often simply took the best available and adjust my scheme to fit their talents).