Back to Default All Star... It's fantastic

[slthree]

I'm a big fan of most of the slider guys. Been following them for years.

I played about 7 games ( not having completed every one) before I started tinkering and plugging in sliders from a few guys. I figured I had to since I've always done it.

But, yesterday, I got sick of tinkering and decided to go back to default everything, All Star for pitching and Hitting.

I've played just 5 full games (no quick counts) and have had the best games I've ever had playing The Show. Everything seemed right and I saw all the things we like to see, like: a difference in average verse elite fielders, balls getting over outfielders heads, dominant pitchers owning me and average pitchers giving me a fighting chance.

It may just be placebo. Heck, this feeling may not last 20 or 30 games in. At this point, I'm exhausted for all the combinations I've tried. But, for now, I feel great with the experience.

Will anyone else try this to see if I'm alone in this assessment?

[Suvorov]

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It's not a placebo. I have great games using default All Star settings. I think these slider guys are chasing Bigfoot. After about 10 play now games, using default All Star settings, I have had games where I blew out the other team and games where I was blown out. I had good games hitting and bad games hitting. I had good games pitching and bad games pitching. I have walked and given up walks. I have seen several errors in one game and no errors in a game.

I used to be one of those guys that chased sliders as well, trying to find the perfect sliders, but it's an impossibility. People tend to change sliders, play one or two games, and decide something else needs changing. But the fact is, you would need to play 20+ games with a slider set, to compare stats, and to be honest, even that wouldn't be enough to give true randomness of possible outcomes in a game.

You would need to play hundreds, if not thousands of games, to get a true variance and be able to determine if a slider setting is truly correct or not.

The other thing about sliders, is that everyone plays differently. I may not hit as well as player A, but hit better than Play C. Therefore, a slider set that works for me, may not work for either of the other players. Not worth all the hassle.

[wizfan2]

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I am with you, with only limited playing time(the whole work, family & mortgage deal)only played 6 games using a variety of different teams, I too am getting varying results. Started a test Season just to get a feel for the game using different teams but I have decided I am just gonna pick my Nats & 1 AL team and just roll with it. I have only adjusted down 1 click on baserunner speed(an inside the park by Yasmany Tomas at Chase) & cpu pitch strke frequency. I have just come to the conclusion that I don't have the time to become OCD with the game, so far as rosters & sliders. I just enjoy the gameplay sooooo much.

[steelerfan]

Re: Back to Default All Star... It's fantastic, I think

So, to recap, slider guys would need to play thousands of games with a set to know if they're good but you guys are on board with default after 6, 7 and 10 games?

Makes sense.

I do agree 100% that sliders have to be tailored by the individual user. Some sliders like Injuries, Stamina, Manager Hook, Pickoffs, Steal Frequency, Wind and Trade Frequency (and maybe a few others) should be good for everyone. Aside from those, the results will vary which is why I do my own with every game I play (I'll use other's sets as a guide on occasion).

Hopefully you guys can get the enjoyment you want out of default.

[Fiddy]

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Pretty sure I'm going default all star myself for my franchise when the opening day rosters hit. I get tired of the slideritus. So many sets, so many great insights from those slider creators. It starts to drive me nuts and i end up combining things i like from sets etc. So default it is this year for me (maybe lol).

[Armor and Sword]

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This game is so easy to lock in your own custom settings.....I am talking eaaaaaasy. The is a testament to the developer team. This is the best tuned sports game out of the box bar none.

Most slider sets for The Show are specific to a certain play style, settings, cameras, approach etc.

Takes hundreds or thousands of games? No I don' think so.

Took me a week and half and 30 test games to lock in my settings. Just a little effort to give me 1000's of hours of baseball gaming pleasure.

I am off and running.

Default All-Star is great.....nothing wrong with it at all. But some of us like certain things and a few knob turns get us there. Lumping in all slider makers is not a fair assessment. I can only speak for myself.....I just share my settings that appeal to a certain style of sports gamer. There is no magic bullet. And we are simply sharing and trying to help people enjoy the game more.

Simple as that. Take them of leave them as a base for you to build your own tweaks.

But Chasing Bigfoot? Come on man. And for the record....it's not rocket science. I think anyone is capable of making custom tweaks to their own game whenever they want. If you have played sports games long enough....you know exactly what your looking for.

It default floats your boat....AWESOME.

The best way though to choose a base set is know your skill level, settings you like to pitch and hit with and find a slider thread that fits that as close as possible. Once you start jumping thread to thread...it's a black hole.

[KBLover]

Re: Back to Default All Star... It's fantastic, I think

I do agree 100% that sliders have to be tailored by the individual user. Some sliders like Injuries, Stamina, Manager Hook, Pickoffs, Steal Frequency, Wind and Trade Frequency (and maybe a few others) should be good for everyone.

Those are individual as well.

There is no "good for everyone" setting on any slider.

[steelerfan]

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Those are individual as well.

There is no "good for everyone" setting on any slider.

I said "should".

Stamina, injuries, etc. "should" be universal as long as your goal is to mirror real life.

[KBLover]

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I said "should".

Stamina, injuries, etc. "should" be universal as long as your goal is to mirror real life.

But how are you attempting to mirror real life?

If a guy goes 6 IP on average, are you getting those the same way? Is it because he burns his pitches? How his manager uses his staff? And so on. If a pitcher gets pulled before he's tired, does that count against him? He could go 8 but gets pulled after 6 because <whatever reasons="">. How do you set the slider, so he can go 8 and you pull him yourself or 6 because "that's how many he goes" even if he could work 8?

Which one is considered as mirroring real life? Replicating production or player skill set and you as manager will have to do the rest (i.e. pull him after 6 like his irl team) in order to replicate his production? The answer to that will determine where you'll bias with your Stamina slider.

And that doesn't even go into how YOU control the pitcher, what level you're on, interface and how good you are with it (which impacts command, which impacts results, which might make pitchers more or less efficient), and so on. Do you as the user mirror your pitcher's irl pitching tendencies and results?

Then, what is the ratings to IP correlation? How many innings should a 70 STA pitcher go? How many pitches? Which do you favor in determining if your Stamina sliders are "correct"? The way you interpret the ratings scale, since we don't have any info from the devs on even what's "average" (or do we?) will influence the sliders based on where you bias the ratings vs performance.

And even beyond that - where you are in franchise, if it's a carryover, what roster set you use, etc.

I'm in 2021. Is a "universal" Stamina slider based on 2015's results going to give me the same mirroring real life with a completely different league ratings landscape 7 years into a franchise carried over from MLB14? Durability ratings are low a lot of times from fictionals as they rise up. But I still want real-life like injury rates - if Durability drops league-wide, I may well see more injuries on the same setting.

It's not going to be universal, even if the goal is the same, because all of those things above won't be universal.</whatever>

[steelerfan]

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I think it's fairly obvious that your Stamina slider is bad if you can't get a guy through 4 innings because he is always exhausted after 70 pitches. It's also obvious that it's bad if you can run him out there for 130 pitches every outing.

A Carry Over Franchise is subject to poor Progression. Of course that would be a factor. If the progression is good though, it wouldn't matter.

If you disagree that there is a base line where certain sliders are most effective, cool. Put your Stamina on 0 or 10 or wherever you like. I couldn't care less.

[slthree]

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Since I started the thread, I've played numerous other games, or parts of games, and am getting great and varying results, except for the fact that I can't hit.

But, I don't want anyone attacking the slider guys ( even if it's not intended) because, like I said in the original post, I've been following them for years and have had a lot of fun using their sliders.

I was just curious to see how many hard core baseball fans were having success with default.

Edit: I should probably have said that I am playing "play now" games only. It's been said that different modes play differently

[Armor and Sword]

Re: Back to Default All Star... It's fantastic

Since I started the thread, I've played numerous other games, or parts of games, and am getting great and varying results, except for the fact that I can't hit.

But, I don't want anyone attacking the slider guys ( even if it's not intended) because, like I said in the original post, I've been following them for years and have had a lot of fun using their sliders.

I was just curious to see how many hard core baseball fans were having success with default.

Edit: I should probably have said that I am playing "play now" games only. It's been said that different modes play differently

Indeed. Franchise games are subject to hot and cold streaks. That changes things. And of course the ebb and flow of a 162 game season when you play each and every game, pitch by pitch.

[prestwood90]

Re: Back to Default All Star... It's fantastic, I think

If a particular slider set works good for u that just means u and the slider creator play the game in a similar fashion.......sliders will always vary by user and I'm of the mindset that out of the box is usually the way the game was designed to operate with

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[DJ]

Re: Back to Default All Star... It's fantastic

No slider adjustments for me. I do use Dynamic Difficulty to ease me into the new game. Once I get up to All-Star level I drop the DD slider to 2. I actually just touched HOF hitting on 15 before picking up 16. I don't know if I'll get back to that level, but I'll have fun trying.

A&S is right in that The Show requires the least amount of slider adjustments of any sports game on the market.

For me, I went to default sliders in all sports games a year ago and it's been a blast. I'm having fun (that's why we play these games) and accepting each game for its strengths and weaknesses.

[lion575a]

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I have one slider adjustment I have to make .... the CPU Pickoffs -2. Otherwise the oppossing pitcher will waste like 5 minutes of my life throwing to first base every game. Outside of that I play All Star Default so far.