The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

[Hooe]

Re: The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

Never have taken it out, implemented it sooner

These are not options Tiburon has in the here and now, and expecting them to retroactively fix the past is silly.

not half-blanked it.

I mean yes I'd rather have what they are giving over nothing. But that should not satisfy people or be the bar. Half done features/additions only add the the list of issues in a sports title.

They didn't "half-blank" anything.

The players available to substitute are 1:1 consistent with both the Franchise depth chart and in-game formation substitutions. What you, me, and the rest of OS wants is apparently additional functionality, or at the very least a change request.

Tiburon chose to prioritize making available the logic that exists in-game in a new out-of-game screen - and doing the entire sim community a solid in the process - as opposed to putting it off one more year.

[zacification1]

No WR at RB even though several teams do it in real life every game? makes sense....

Just position swap Cordaralle or Tavon to HB, if that's what you're planning on, lol. They can still play WR,

[charter04]

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These are not options Tiburon has in the here and now, and expecting them to retroactively fix the past is silly.







They didn't "half-blank" anything.



The players available to substitute are 1:1 consistent with both the Franchise depth chart and in-game formation substitutions. What you, me, and the rest of OS wants is apparently additional functionality, or at the very least a change request.



Tiburon chose to prioritize making available the logic that exists in-game in a new out-of-game screen - and doing the entire sim community a solid in the process - as opposed to putting it off one more year.

Exactly. The should have never taken it out crowd helps nothing.

And totally agree that this wasn't half baked. Guys can disagree but, they restricted it on purpose to prevent potential exploits.

[Mauer4MVP]

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Exactly. The should have never taken it out crowd helps nothing.

And totally agree that this wasn't half baked. Guys can disagree but, they restricted it on purpose to prevent potential exploits.

No one said it helps. Doesn't make it any less true.

And I still don't see this exploits argument. It's only available in CFM, so it's up to the user to exploit it in their franchise. Even in online franchises, I assume everyone has house rules. You could just say certain things aren't allowed.

[TheBleedingRed21]

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Some will never be satisfied, which doesn't hurt anything as EA will listen as long as it's constructive.

The problem is becoming the constant whining of "they should've never taken it out", that's easy to say when you don't understand how games are made and how coding works.

And then there is those who are selfish and would want us to wait for the feature to be full fledged out instead of the dev team redirecting resources to get the community a feature that is highly requested. It's just unbelievable to me.

[Mauer4MVP]

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These are not options Tiburon has in the here and now, and expecting them to retroactively fix the past is silly.



They didn't "half-blank" anything.

The players available to substitute are 1:1 consistent with both the Franchise depth chart and in-game formation substitutions. What you, me, and the rest of OS wants is apparently additional functionality, or at the very least a change request.

Tiburon chose to prioritize making available the logic that exists in-game in a new out-of-game screen - and doing the entire sim community a solid in the process - as opposed to putting it off one more year.

If the system doesn't allow a very common formation sub then it's not fully done.

Also, I think them adding this in hardly should be considered a "solid". Sure they didn't have to add it in this year, but they really didn't have to add anything in.

Look I'm getting the game regardless and will enjoy it, but the implementation is pretty disappointing.

[bigd51]

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People complaining , like myself, have very right. Am I glad it's in? Yes. But it's an incomplete feature that was inexcusably removed. If you're going to add a feature back in it shouldn't be so restrictive.

That's not a tough crowd. That's a hungry crowd with realistic expectations.

And just because you have the right to complain, it doesn't mean your complaint is always right.

Realistically, it's the kind of restrictions that have to be put in the game until CPU's become sentient and do not have to abide by an indisputable "law" set forth by programmers.

Realistically, it's the type of restriction that has to be there because it was (obviously) added very late in the development/production cycle, and they're trying to cut-back on as many exploits (that gamers would surely find) as possible. Which essentially makes this addition a beta run on a live platform that will give them loads of data and opinions to improve for '18 and beyond... meaning, you may not have to wait a full, first-world country year to get the perfect product you deserve. Better a year early than a yearly later...

You treat it as a "must have now" type of implement, where as the others see it for what it is, and that's a better future for the game and it's direction, regardless of how well/not so well the game is at the current state. Whether it's complete or incomplete doesn't matter. The fact is, formation subs are back. Period. That's a huge win for a lot of NFL gamers in itself.

Just be happy for once the team is finally hearing "us".

[Hooe]

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I think them adding this in hardly should be considered a "solid".

If the act of Tiburon adding in any capacity one of the most-frequently and most vocally requested features by the Madden community over the past decade to the game in a pre-release title update - an update which will reach us the hardcore fans of Madden time for the launch of a new game - is not the very definition of fan service, then the concept of fan service simply does not exist. I don't know what your expectations are, but very demonstrably they are unreasonable.

The options here with respect to Madden NFL 17 at launch are very clearly one of two things: what we now have, or nothing. Which would you rather have?

Can we not be happy for even a moment that Tiburon is very demonstrably listening to the wishes of its hardcore audience and has gone above and beyond the call of duty to get us something we all want in the game by launch without moving the goalposts and finding yet another reason to berate them?

[SolidSquid]

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Auto subs can't be used in online franchise? Bummer I always do my solo franchises online bc of the faster sim speed from week to week

[BleedGreen710]

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anyone just checking in who wants to know why some people are disappointed:

- there is restriction to which positions can be subbed where
- cannot put JJ Watt at tight end, cannot put WR at HB, SS at OLB, etc
- no formation subs for kickoff formations

anything I missed?

[Hooe]

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Auto subs can't be used in online franchise? Bummer I always do my solo franchises online bc of the faster sim speed from week to week

You can absolutely use auto-subs in online franchise. In fact that was specifically fixed this year so that they worked.

[Dang3rousPeach]

i swear in one of the dev tweets that i saw he had said that there was a formation sub for putting extra tackles in at the TE slot....
with the current restrictions I dont see how you can get effective combos that arent already preset in the game... (most of the formations already had wr swaps or a te split out sub already in them)

[Hooe]

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i swear in one of the dev tweets that i saw he had said that there was a formation sub for putting extra tackles in at the TE slot

The blog itself says you can put tackles at tight end, if that's what you are asking. The game will let you do that.

[Dang3rousPeach]

The blog itself says you can put tackles at tight end, if that's what you are asking. The game will let you do that.

you are right... misread that from the blog... college degree not working out so hot apparently. -_-

[Mattanite]

Re: The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

Looks like they are using the standard depth chart restrictions as the same restrictions within formation subs. I appreciate the effort of getting this in a Day 1 patch and hopefully it is something that could be tuned through the year or expanded formation subs in M18.