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  • ricardodc
    MVP
    • Oct 2014
    • 1237

    #1

    FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

    Hi!

    I am back after last year http://www.operationsports.com/forum...6-sliders.html

    Again, the goal is to find a slider set that can make FIFA 17 resemble real life football. I will focus not only on gameplay but also on stats. Don't forget that the tools that are given to us (sliders) do not allow to fix all the issues and most probably compromises need to be made.

    Fell free to join testing, give your thoughts and post your experiences.

    My best regards!
    Ricardo


    User suggested configuration:
    Legacy defending
    Auto switching: air balls
    Move assistance: none
    Passing power assistance: off
    Pass assist: manual
    Through ball assist: manual
    Shot assist: manual
    Cross assist: semi or manual
    Lob pass assist: manual
    Save assistance: assisted


    FIFA 17, Normal Speed
    (for Slow Speed use acceleration 49 or 50)


    Basic set:
    Use these to watch CPU vs CPU games. Choose the column to match the difficulty level you want to use.


    Advanced set:
    Use these to play USER vs CPU. The objective is to bring more realism and diversity to gameplay, and accentuate teams and players differences. Choose the column for User and CPU sliders that match the teams rating (stars). Choose the game difficulty level and acceleration combo to fit your skill level. Use teams Custom Tactics (check the second post) to emphasize teams specific gameplay styles.




    Optional setting:
    Home team advantage: -1 shot error, -1 pass error and -5 FT error


    NOTES:
    - some other values can look more realistic (for example, lower pass speed), but unfortunately they will hurt the CPU attacking capabilities. So a balance between what looks realistic and what results realistic needs to be found;
    - i don't believe fouls can be consistently raised to a realistic level, so aren't a target for testing;
    - the set is made primary for 15 min halves. While it might work with 10 or 20, don't expect the same results. If you want to play other than 15 min halves, fell free to ask for advice for adjustments.

    Have fun!
    149
    Legendary
    21.48%
    32
    World Class
    34.23%
    51
    Professional
    40.94%
    61
    All look the same
    6.04%
    9
  • ricardodc
    MVP
    • Oct 2014
    • 1237

    #2
    FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders - Custom tactics

    CUSTOM TACTICS

    All values were estimated (calculated) from real life stats (except E League One and Two).

    <iframe width="380" height="214" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BD3UdBU4WkY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> <iframe width="380" height="214" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/R3VK59Vnz-E" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>




    ADVANCED POSITIONING

    To simulate the positioning adjustments teams make to adapt to their opponent strength, add the following to the basic positioning sliders values.




    ADVANCED SIMULATION CUSTOM TACTICS

    To simulate some of the tactic dynamics of the real sport, add to the CTTs & Positioning sliders the following values (for CPU CTTs, use the 2nd controller method).



    Have fun!
    Last edited by ricardodc; 08-21-2017, 06:42 PM.

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    • asdrubale71
      Rookie
      • Oct 2016
      • 104

      #3
      Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

      well....I use to play fantasy Tournaments with exibhition matches cpu vs cpu.

      Have you some sliders to play real cpu vs cpu matches?

      Sliders with no too much goals (3-1 4-1 is good, but 6-3 7-5 unreal)

      I try basic sliders (50 for all) but i have boring games.
      I try to elevate defensive lines, decrease goalkeeper ability and shoot error and i find interesting games but not enough as I like.

      Do you have very very real sliders?

      I play legend, 6 minutes

      thanks

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      • ricardodc
        MVP
        • Oct 2014
        • 1237

        #4
        Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

        Originally posted by asdrubale71
        well....I use to play fantasy Tournaments with exibhition matches cpu vs cpu.

        Have you some sliders to play real cpu vs cpu matches?

        Sliders with no too much goals (3-1 4-1 is good, but 6-3 7-5 unreal)

        I try basic sliders (50 for all) but i have boring games.
        I try to elevate defensive lines, decrease goalkeeper ability and shoot error and i find interesting games but not enough as I like.

        Do you have very very real sliders?

        I play legend, 6 minutes

        thanks
        Hi!

        Please take a look at the first post.

        Hopefully I will have a CPU vs CPU set after phase 2 is finished.

        I have just started testing. It's a slow process, so if it's just me testing it will take time.

        Fell free to join testing.

        Cheers!

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        • asdrubale71
          Rookie
          • Oct 2016
          • 104

          #5
          Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

          Ok Ricardo....I'll wait 4 your test as soon as possible i pray you to show your sliders

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          • ricardodc
            MVP
            • Oct 2014
            • 1237

            #6
            Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

            Originally posted by The Old Dane
            (Yes it's me, I'm back from the ... how?, dont even ask) .You go clinic to work my friend !. I think the idea is interesting, but your plan is problematic because you start your value measurement with cpu vs Cpu.

            Football (its called That way as Cleese explains) Is an error game. So if you want to measure the values of cpu vs. cpu, against the result (the error, etc) are encoded into the game at different levels will give you answers to what level you should / can play ?. I dont think so, Because you need the human factor, errors made by the player and you need it right away!. If the game is changing (the day it happens) style of play to adapt my / human way of playing we have accomplished much. But on the other hand, I think we should and must accept a lot of placebo.It is also what makes it difficult to make sliders, there are 1000 right and wrong ways to look at it, and whats what?. But it should not stop us, and I hope you get something good out of your test, and I am very wrong in my assessment of them.
            Cheers Mate
            Hi mate!

            What a surprise! Ok. I won't ask...

            I know it's not a convencional aprouch but I am willing to take the chance and see where it goes. I believe by just playing CPU vs CPU it will show the differences in gameplay in those difficulty levels. The advantage is that the user ability factor is not a variable. I just played one game and already noticed some differences. I expect the next tests to confirm my suspicious.

            I am aware I might be alone on this task but I don't mind. Of course it would be great to have help but I understand that people want the work done and to just test the set.

            Cheers!

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            • asdrubale71
              Rookie
              • Oct 2016
              • 104

              #7
              Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

              we ask only to have a real setting for the matches....nothing else......i'm a fan of exibithion games and i use to simulate champions league, serie a, europa league matching cpu vs cpu and i'm looking for a real settings

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              • ricardodc
                MVP
                • Oct 2014
                • 1237

                #8
                Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                06/10/2016 test #2:

                Morecambe (1*) vs Man Utd (5*)
                15 min halves
                CPU vs CPU
                Default sliders

                LEGENDARY
                Goals 1-2
                Shots 5-11
                Shots on target 2-6
                Possession% 42-58
                Tackles 20-15
                Fouls 1-3
                Injuries 0-2
                Offsides 1-0
                Corners 1-6
                Shot accuracy% 40-54
                Pass accuracy% 84-90

                WORLD CLASS
                Goals 1-5
                Shots 2-18
                Shots on target 2-13
                Possession% 42-58
                Tackles 22-17
                Fouls 4-2
                Injuries 0-0
                Offsides 0-1
                Corners 2-4
                Shot accuracy% 100-72
                Pass accuracy% 80-90

                PROFESSIONAL
                Goals 0-7
                Shots 4-22
                Shots on target 1-16
                Possession% 40-60
                Tackles 13-23
                Fouls 0-2
                Injuries 0-0
                Offsides 0-0
                Corners 2-8
                Shot accuracy% 25-72
                Pass accuracy% 88-92

                Comments: It's starting to look obvious that Legendary doesn't deliver the most realistic stats/scores. It's the most challenging but does that by even all teams strengths. That's not what I am looking for.
                Last edited by ricardodc; 10-06-2016, 07:11 AM.

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                • ohvitser12
                  Rookie
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 487

                  #9
                  Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                  These cpu vs cpu matches are much more real life like on world class difficulty as it seems.The stats seem to be much more logical.

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                  • ricardodc
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 1237

                    #10
                    Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                    Originally posted by asdrubale71
                    we ask only to have a real setting for the matches....nothing else......i'm a fan of exibithion games and i use to simulate champions league, serie a, europa league matching cpu vs cpu and i'm looking for a real settings
                    Have you played CPU vs CPU? What difficulty level? What do you think needs to be adjusted to look more realistic? (speed? pass speed or error? lines? etc)

                    Originally posted by The Old Dane
                    As I said, your idea is exciting and ambitious. I will continue to support you, even though I have a different approach, which as you know I can do somewhere else. But I know you, and can look at the matches you have selected that you look at the game's team ID is different - you've found it ?.
                    Cheers mate
                    As soon as I choose the difficulty level I will also post "somewhere else". Like I said, it's obvious that Legendary makes teams look more alike and every team will be though to defeat. That's fine when you play even teams but when you face uneven teams that's not realistic. Also, I see more gameplay variety in lower difficulty levels. I think it's because error is more acceptable and so players will take more risks.

                    Originally posted by ohvitser12
                    These cpu vs cpu matches are much more real life like on world class difficulty as it seems.The stats seem to be much more logical.
                    After only 2 tests looks like WC and Professional deliver the most realistic stats/scores. I will continue the testing by rising the weaker side strength.

                    Cheers!
                    Last edited by ricardodc; 10-06-2016, 07:38 AM.

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                    • ricardodc
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 1237

                      #11
                      Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                      06/10/2016 test #3:

                      Chesterfield (2*) vs Chelsea (5*)
                      15 min halves
                      CPU vs CPU
                      Default sliders

                      LEGENDARY
                      Goals 1-2
                      Shots 10-16
                      Shots on target 5-10
                      Possession% 46-54
                      Tackles 13-31
                      Fouls 1-6
                      Injuries 2-0
                      Offsides 0-0
                      Corners 4-7
                      Shot accuracy% 50-62
                      Pass accuracy% 91-87

                      WORLD CLASS
                      Goals 1-1
                      Shots 5-16
                      Shots on target 3-10
                      Possession% 51-49
                      Tackles 16-23
                      Fouls 3-0
                      Injuries 1-1
                      Offsides 0-1
                      Corners 1-3
                      Shot accuracy% 60-62
                      Pass accuracy% 92-88

                      PROFESSIONAL
                      Goals 0-3
                      Shots 6-16
                      Shots on target 1-9
                      Possession% 54-46
                      Tackles 10-33
                      Fouls 1-1
                      Injuries 1-0
                      Offsides 0-4
                      Corners 2-1
                      Shot accuracy% 16-56
                      Pass accuracy% 93-86

                      Comments: Professional wins on most realistic scores/shots. Possession% reflects Chelsea tactics and being on the winning side soon in the game. Pass accuracy is off for every difficulty level.
                      Last edited by ricardodc; 10-06-2016, 10:19 AM.

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                      • ohvitser12
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 487

                        #12
                        Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                        Originally posted by ricardodc
                        06/10/2016 test #3:

                        Chesterfield (2*) vs Chelsea (5*)
                        15 min halves
                        CPU vs CPU
                        Default sliders

                        LEGENDARY
                        Goals 1-2
                        Shots 10-16
                        Shots on target 5-10
                        Possession% 46-54
                        Tackles 13-31
                        Fouls 1-6
                        Injuries 2-0
                        Offsides 0-0
                        Corners 4-7
                        Shot accuracy% 50-62
                        Pass accuracy% 91-87

                        WORLD CLASS
                        Goals 1-1
                        Shots 5-16
                        Shots on target 3-10
                        Possession% 51-49
                        Tackles 16-23
                        Fouls 3-0
                        Injuries 1-1
                        Offsides 0-1
                        Corners 1-3
                        Shot accuracy% 60-62
                        Pass accuracy% 92-88

                        PROFESSIONAL
                        Goals -
                        Shots -
                        Shots on target -
                        Possession% -
                        Tackles -
                        Fouls -
                        Injuries -
                        Offsides -
                        Corners -
                        Shot accuracy% -
                        Pass accuracy% -

                        Comments: ...
                        This is really off imho...No way will chesterfield every hold the possesion advantage over Chelsea...shows you that fifa gameplay engine really needs a overhaul i think..Not a big difference between really good and bad teams.That score might happe in real life ,but those posseion and passing accuracy stats are so so wrong

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                        • ricardodc
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 1237

                          #13
                          Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                          06/10/2016 test #4:

                          Preston (3*) vs Leicester (4,5*)
                          15 min halves
                          CPU vs CPU
                          Default sliders

                          LEGENDARY
                          Goals 0-2
                          Shots 16-11
                          Shots on target 6-7
                          Possession% 52-48
                          Tackles 20-14
                          Fouls 2-3
                          Injuries 0-1
                          Offsides 1-2
                          Corners 3-1
                          Shot accuracy% 37-63
                          Pass accuracy% 89-87

                          WORLD CLASS
                          Goals 1-2
                          Shots 10-10
                          Shots on target 2-4
                          Possession% 51-49
                          Tackles 31-22
                          Fouls 4-3
                          Injuries 0-1
                          Offsides 2-1
                          Corners 5-0
                          Shot accuracy% 20-40
                          Pass accuracy% 87-91

                          PROFESSIONAL
                          Goals 3-5
                          Shots 15-17
                          Shots on target 6-12
                          Possession% 49-51
                          Tackles 23-19
                          Fouls 2-1
                          Injuries 1-0
                          Offsides 1-0
                          Corners 7-9
                          Shot accuracy% 40-70
                          Pass accuracy% 86-89

                          Comments: I will take Legendary off for further testings. Remain WC and Professional.
                          Last edited by ricardodc; 10-06-2016, 11:49 AM.

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                          • ricardodc
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 1237

                            #14
                            Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                            06/10/2016. Test #5:

                            Swansea (4*) vs Liverpool (4,5*)
                            15 min halves
                            CPU vs CPU
                            Default sliders

                            REAL LIFE 01/10/2016
                            Goals 1-2
                            Shots 8-18
                            Shots on target 3-6
                            Possession% 41-59
                            Tackles 22-18
                            Fouls 11-9
                            Offsides 1-2
                            Corners 3-10
                            Pass accuracy% 75-83

                            WORLD CLASS
                            Goals 0-0
                            Shots 8-5
                            Shots on target 4-2
                            Possession% 53-47
                            Tackles 29-22
                            Fouls 3-1
                            Injuries 0-1
                            Offsides 1-1
                            Corners 3-4
                            Shot accuracy% 50-40
                            Pass accuracy% 90-83

                            PROFESSIONAL
                            Goals 0-5
                            Shots 7-17
                            Shots on target 3-12
                            Possession% 49-51
                            Tackles 16-13
                            Fouls 2-4
                            Injuries 3-0
                            Offsides 0-3
                            Corners 2-7
                            Shot accuracy% 42-70
                            Pass accuracy% 88-89
                            Last edited by ricardodc; 10-06-2016, 01:51 PM.

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                            • ricardodc
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 1237

                              #15
                              Re: FIFA 17 Simulation Sliders

                              06/10/2016. Test #6:

                              Man City (5*) vs Bournemouth (4*)
                              15 min halves
                              CPU vs CPU
                              Default sliders

                              REAL LIFE 17/09/2016
                              Goals 4-0
                              Shots 20-6
                              Shots on target 11-2
                              Possession% 64-36
                              Tackles 25-14
                              Fouls 8-11
                              Offsides 1-2
                              Corners 5-5
                              Pass accuracy% 89-78

                              WORLD CLASS
                              Goals 3-1
                              Shots 12-6
                              Shots on target 9-3
                              Possession% 58-42
                              Tackles 24-26
                              Fouls 3-1
                              Injuries 0-0
                              Offsides 0-0
                              Corners 4-1
                              Shot accuracy% 75-50
                              Pass accuracy% 95-93

                              PROFESSIONAL
                              Goals 1-1
                              Shots 16-13
                              Shots on target 11-4
                              Possession% 60-40
                              Tackles 20-20
                              Fouls 2-0
                              Injuries 0-0
                              Offsides 0-0
                              Corners 3-4
                              Shot accuracy% 68-30
                              Pass accuracy% 95-91

                              That's all for today.
                              Last edited by ricardodc; 10-06-2016, 03:31 PM.

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