It seems like every time I attempt to rush I either get a loss of yards, or I only get 1-2 yards per rush. I'm rushing on the side with the green box, and I'm still having trouble. The only running play I've had any kind of success with is the HB draw, but even that doesn't happen very often. Am I doing something wrong? I hate having to rely on passing only because I cant run the ball lol.
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I need help with rushing
Don't use speed burst right away.
Follow your blocks.
Anticipation.
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I've found that I don't have any success with speed or one cut backs but I can consistently move the chains with power backs. So I would suggest trying out different types of HBs to see which ones you have success with.....the type of linemen you have also matters. If you have pass blockers at the guard positions it's pretty tough to move guys
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Try Eagles playbook - Bunch Open Offset, and run the Inside Zone play... It is a solid run play... As you learn to run the ball, using run plays from shotgun formations helps...
Also, notice how blocks form so you know who is going to block which defender pre-snap.. Generally, from the Center, he will block the player manned up on him, or the next player closest if in a 3 technique or closer... Blocking from the outside in, the RT will block to his right, if not manned up on, and the RG blocks to his right, if not manned up...
On the left side, the LT blocks to the nearest player to his left, and left guard to his left...
Generally the defender in a 3 technique will see a double team; so you will have either RG or LG and Center taking him....
The Center will take on a LB if DT's in 4 man fronts or DE's in a 2-4-5 formation are equally spaced..
NOte: these are basics; there are other rules to further understand blocking assignments, but this should help for now..Comment
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I've developed a running scheme around the Singleback - Jumbo set, but its concepts can be applied to a lot of other formations as well. I won't say it's anything special, and I only use it for my games vs. AI, but it could be a good place to start.
- Audibles: be able to audible into two distinct pass plays and two distinct run plays. I use Slants and Mesh for the pass plays. Slants is great against man coverage, but it's also decent against zone because there's a stick concept on the strong side of the formation. Mesh is a fallback if I don't think the slants will work. Usually the drags can get at least a few yards if you play it right, or there's a corner route to your TE if you want to take it deeper. For the run plays I have HB dive and stretch (One inside, one outside)
- Playcall: Never call any of your audibles as your initial playcall. I often call HB Zone Weak, Inside Zone, HB Toss or a deep pass, as these calls are most distinct from any of the audibles I have. Essentially you want to have 5 distinct options for plays you can run once you're at the LOS instead of 4.
- Before the snap: This is 80% of your run game. Getting into the right play. The skills trainer does a great job of telling you how to get into the right passing play, but a pretty mediocre job of telling you how to get into the right run play, but I recommend running through it anyway. The most obvious change you can make is: 7 in the box or 2 high safety, run the ball; 8 in the box or 1 high safety, throw it. Beyond that, learn how each run play is blocked. For example, the Inside Zone play involves a double team at the point of attack on the DT in the A gap. So if there's a DT in the A gap, direct your run to his side of the formation in almost every situation (red box or not). The idea is that you will want to run into this double team and zig away from the direction the DT tries to steer your blockers. If the interior D-Lineman is playing the traditional NT spot right over the center, Inside Zone isn't as effective because your Guard has to go further to make the double team and it makes the Tackle's job difficult to cover for him. So audible out of Inside Zone if there is a NT lined up over the center (iirc, HB Dive works pretty well, and HB Dive also works well if you want to run an inside run play away from a DT lined up in the A gap). So the overarching idea is to know exactly who is going to attempt to block who to the play side of the formation and ascertaining whether you are in the best playcall based on this information.
- After the snap: I think other people can cover this better than me, but just remember where your blockers are and what they will and will not be able to do based on your playcall. Hit the hole ready to make adjustments with your Left thumbstick (not by juking). Not holding down turbo makes this easier, but I find sometimes this bit of advice is overrated--if you see a 5 yard hole closing fast, the best play might be to use turbo to get there. Know your HB's strengths. If he's a speed back, try to juke/spin on anyone about to make a stop (but also know your speed back's abilities--sometimes you can just run around people or make a sharp cut and they will miss, which means you won't have to slow down your momentum with a juke). If he's a power back, try not to take any direct hits and truck when it makes sense.
Hopefully this helps... my advice if you want to improve your run game is just to put 80% of your efforts at getting better at the pre-snap aspect of it.Cow. Boys.Comment
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personally, i find running outside of the OT very difficult. 4 out of 5 runs will be stuffed. for me, you have to run between the OT to find consistent success.
equally, i find gap/power runs the most effective as the pulling OL guy is more likely to meet the second level defender in an effective way.Comment
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I'm more of a zone guy. The pulling guard never seems to go where I want him to, so I stick to blocking concepts that are more predictable for me.
I find HB Stretch to be fairly effective, but you can't call it on any given play; it's situational. Some outside run plays like HB Sweep in the Singleback Jumbo set are garbage--they're basically broken as far as I'm concerned, but I've found HB Toss in the same formation and HB Toss-Crack plays in general work pretty well.Cow. Boys.Comment
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Running outside of the tackle does seem more difficult this time around, but when running, you should keep in mind the type of back you're playing with. Not every guy has the speed to take advantage of those plays, even if the blocking is good. Also, I almost never get outside the cornerback/final defender on the sideline, a great majority of my runs come on an immediate upfield cut after getting outside the tackle. Another tip, follow the fat guy in front of you. His road leads to the promised land.
As for some "money plays," I've found success with the Seahawks playbook and the 01-Trap (or whatever it's called) from the Singleback-Ace look, and Power/Base runs from Y-Trips (where the TE is behind the line of scrimmage in the B-Gap).
Finally, variety is the spice of life. If something isn't working, switch it up until you find something that works. Because of differing players, playbook and sliders, not every play looks the same for everyone.Comment
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I feel like no matter what formation. "Quick Pitch" is designed to allow that DE/OLB to be COMPLETELY unblocked. Every time I even consider running it again. 5 yard loss.
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As someone who absolutely struggled for awhile with running in M17, I'll say u really have to be flexible. Lol. I'm not saying the blocking/running is hyper realistic, but seriously, u really have to watch your blocks, now. And, while running outside is more difficult, in general, I feel like playcalling affects this. If u run up the middle 3-4 times mixed with some passes, THEN run a toss/sweep/stretch, u can get to the outside. And, again, here, u really gotta watch the blocking and/or LB play. If u see the LB flying to the outside, gotta cut inside - if timed well, this can still pick up yardage. If LB is running toward your FB, get ready for the block to happen, and/or MAKE the block happen by running behind/at your FB so that the LB has to run into him. If done, correctly, right when the block happens, hit the sprint to jet away. And, overall, in terms of gameplay or stick skills, specifically, regardless of running inside/outside, u should normally have 1 blocker that u can sort of 'control'. If u run a stretch out of I formation, u can sort of 'control' the FB/LB interaction with your movements. Force the LB to run into the FB. Another piece of advice on that, again, on any given running play, run AT your nearest/next blocker, when u get near him, go around him. Lol. I know that sounds simple, but my point is that when running the ball, sometimes I found myself trying to setup blocks too early, and/or I thought the blocks would be 'here' and 'there' and they weren't. But, if I aim the RB AT the next blocker, if a defender is near, he has the chance of running into the blocker, and again, the better u get at this, u will FORCE the defender into the blocker and then take off. Ultimately, this is actually realistic. And, again, after a season or 2 in M17, I had devonta Freeman running a BS 2.8 yards per carry!! It was totally frustrating. I finally realized how the blocking was working, and that it made a huge difference if I aimed at the blocker instead of avoiding the defender. Now, I rock a solid 4-5 yards per carry and have some big games with Freeman.
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One of the things that I think needs to be improved for 18 is for there to be a better balance between powerful sheds by defenders and controlling blocks by offensive players. On many plays defenders can toss aside a blocker and then make a play on the ball carrier with hyper quick balance recovery and flawless tackling.
Offensive players however rarely take defenders completely out of the play, where the defender is totally off balance or even on the ground, thus causing there to be too many TFL or 0-1 yard gains. Lineman getting to the second level in Madden needs to have a more devastating effect.Jordan Mychal Lemos
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Oh yeah, no doubt. Don't even get me started on screen play blocking, man. [emoji6]. Lol. Biggest gripe for me on screen blocking, especially when the D blitzes. U get that screen pass to the RB, he's got 3 blockers in front of him and u can see only 2 defenders in your path, you're thinking, 'TD time!!!' But what happens consistently? Your most outside edge blocker runs INSIDE to block a trailing LB or something that was completely UNNECESSARY!!! Instead of maintaining his outside blocking edge to block the safety or cb who is the most outside player on the field and often is the ONLY player that MIGHT make a play. Your outside lineman should continue to run up and outfield (towards the sideline in essence) and absolutely CLOBBER the DB, especially if u set him up properly. Now, I've often wondered if madden does this on purpose because, admittedly, I would score a lot more TDs if they blocked appropriately on screens. But, if not, this again speaks to the heart of their blocking AI and WTF is their AI thinking??!! Lol. This game has come a long way in 3 years, and I'm fairly happy with it, but if they can tweak the blocking logic just a little, it could really be amazing. The screen play is the easiest play to run to see some of the ridiculousness in AI choices for who to block. Often, because of the choices that the 3 linemen will make conflict with where they were going, u will see 3 blockers vs 2 defenders, and NO ONE is blocked!!! And, the linemen may just simply run into each other, again, because they are all choosing the wrong targets. Lol.
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I have always used a power back to run with. Also this game rewards patience. Wait for the whole to open up and then get in there. Be happy with a 3 or 4 yard run and move on to the next play, not every play needs to go for 6 points. You will break some runs and they will be more rewarding when they happen.Comment
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