2K18: Too much Placebo among Core Fixes...

**Foldzy** · 09-25-2017, 11:30 AM

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I honestly feel like this game is a step back from 2K17. A heartless money grab if you ask me.

**shayellis** · 09-25-2017, 11:35 AM

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Great video evidence. Every year we are promised stealing nerfs. The amount of "falling into clean blocks" is infuriating. Then theres the lead passing literally through my body or a off ball steal animation moving me all the way out the play when I am already perfectly in line with the ball. Beware though, the excuse brigade is coming...

**Kushmir** · 09-25-2017, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Foldzy

I honestly feel like this game is a step back from 2K17. A heartless money grab if you ask me.

Yikes. Can't agree with you there...its leaps and bounds better than 2K17. LIGHT YEARS BETTER. But it can be better than it is....especially if they deal with the nonsense with a HEAVY HAND once and for all. IMO they've been subtle and hinted at changes long enough.

**The 24th Letter** · 09-25-2017, 11:42 AM

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No excuse brigade necessary...there never is in a Kush thread.

He's not on the forums to hunt for issues to cosign.

He plays to enjoy the game, and when he does have an issue, he speaks on it in a constructive manner without hyperbole...and usually with evidence.

Good post Kush.

I like that they made it more dangerous to go for those chase downs and late blocks from behind in general, but there definitely needs to be a harsher penalty for unwise blocks attempts....especially in the post.

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**Kushmir** · 09-25-2017, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by The 24th Letter

No excuse brigade necessary...there never is in a Kush thread.

He's not on the forums to hunt for issues to cosign.

He plays to enjoy the game, and when he does have an issue, he speaks on it in a constructive manner without hyperbole...and usually with evidence.

Good post Kush.

I like that they made it more dangerous to go for those chase downs and late blocks from behind in general, but there definitely needs to be a harsher penalty for unwise blocks attempts....especially in the post.

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**ViolenceFight** · 09-25-2017, 12:40 PM

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Jeez, Kush, Could you be bothered to write an article on how to write a "complaint" thread? It sucks that they used a lot of cover ups to hide some legacy issues. Here's hoping they can improve for next year and we can start eliminating the legacy problems.

This new motion system is excellent, but lead to a lot of new issues.

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**Kushmir** · 09-25-2017, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by ViolenceFight

Jeez, Kush, Could you be bothered to write an article on how to write a "complaint" thread? It sucks that they used a lot of cover ups to hide some legacy issues. Here's hoping they can improve for next year and we can start eliminating the legacy problems.

This new motion system is excellent, but lead to a lot of new issues.

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IMO instead highlight the issues you think are worthy of addressing. Really important to consider the game as a whole rather than your specific experiences tho. I'm not a big fan of the shot-stick...but tons of people are. It brings an element of skill to shooting so it could be better for the game as whole.

I also think its important to take things out of the game that are the opposite of what happen in the NBA....authenticity is important. To me that isn't complaining...its being an asset to the community.

And for sure, they'll improve. Its our job to push them in the right direction sometimes tho.

**ViolenceFight** · 09-25-2017, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by Kushmir

IMO instead highlight the issues you think are worthy of addressing. Really important to consider the game as a whole rather than your specific experiences tho. I'm not a big fan of the shot-stick...but tons of people are. It brings an element of skill to shooting so it could be better for the game as whole.

I also think its important to take things out of the game that are the opposite of what happen in the NBA....authenticity is important. To me that isn't complaining...its being an asset to the community.

And for sure, they'll improve. Its our job to push them in the right direction sometimes tho.

I agree. I was more or less implying your post was a breath of fresh air compared to the other multitudes on the board talking about flaws or inaccuracies. A whole lot of "This doesn't work/broken/etc", but not a lot of evidence attached.

Yeah, 2k will continue to get better. What scares me is popping into reddit. It's straight up torch and pitchforks over there. This game is awesome and I'm terrified that the very larger, more vocal members will again screw it up. That's why your post is great. Problems with multiple videos showing the entire issues, proving it's repeatable or not fluky.

Keep up the good hunting.

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**Kushmir** · 09-25-2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by ViolenceFight

I agree. I was more or less implying your post was a breath of fresh air compared to the other multitudes on the board talking about flaws or inaccuracies. A whole lot of "This doesn't work/broken/etc", but not a lot of evidence attached.

Yeah, 2k will continue to get better. What scares me is popping into reddit. It's straight up torch and pitchforks over there. This game is awesome and I'm terrified that the very larger, more vocal members will again screw it up. That's why your post is great. Problems with multiple videos showing the entire issues, proving it's repeatable or not fluky.

Keep up the good hunting.

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Yeah I really appreciate that...I try to stay away from any kind of discussion of the game that doesn't have a hardcore slant. I can only imagine some of the foolishess some of those sites have on there.

**Kushmir** · 09-25-2017, 10:42 PM

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Still finding way too much of this stuff playing online:

Block Timing allows too much leeway - AD fouled Simmons on the 1st attempt here:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/cwcT1rGXriQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Rebound Steals - There is too much swiping at the ball in the backcourt. PERIOD.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/lP6wm-wew6k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Playcalling suffers when you allow steal spam.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MuTzX63-BfI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Shooter Foul -The invisible force field again prevented the blatant contact we see here.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mFA8RJKOZCw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

**hesko** · 09-25-2017, 11:03 PM

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I wanted to know if the ball was still its own object. hand been warping through it on some clean unspammed steals, sometimes getting called for fouls on some even when the replay shows it being clean. <does it have to do with rating? cpu opponent? (jordan-ruleish). The game does flow more like real b-ball tho.

**Kushmir** · 09-26-2017, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by hesko

I wanted to know if the ball was still its own object. hand been warping through it on some clean unspammed steals, sometimes getting called for fouls on some even when the replay shows it being clean. <does it have to do with rating? cpu opponent? (jordan-ruleish). The game does flow more like real b-ball tho.

I think it really depends...sometimes YES, sometime NO. I think its rating/timing combined but we'd have to ask a dev. I've never been as adamant as some that replays never show clipping and other stuff that defies physics. I prefer that the game play well and resemble NBA basketball.

**justud** · 09-27-2017, 08:12 AM

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