Fighter updates

[UOCgorilla]

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Is there any way we can get weekly or even monthly fighter updates? Madden and most other EA sports titles do this but the UFC never has. The fighters dont actually fight too often compared to maddens weekly updates so it shouldnt be to hard to update stats of the fighters in the game.
This would be a very cool addition if it isnt being done already.

[Serengeti1]

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I never really understood why they didn't do this anyway. I feel like it wouldn't take that much work. At least updates more regularly.

[Nugget7211]

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If they even did every 3 weeks to a month (roughly the gap between PPVs) that'd be perfect, even if it was literally just fighter record updates, rather than stats, since apparently the UFC controls those.

[aholbert32]

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I never really understood why they didn't do this anyway. I feel like it wouldn't take that much work. At least updates more regularly.

The roster structure of the game made it difficult. Unlike games like Madden and NBA 2k, the game didnt have a roster file that was downloadable and replaceable. So they could only update rosters through patches. What sucked was patches end after 6 mos.

[aholbert32]

Re: Fighter updates

If this has been addressed disregard.
Is there any way we can get weekly or even monthly fighter updates? Madden and most other EA sports titles do this but the UFC never has. The fighters dont actually fight too often compared to maddens weekly updates so it shouldnt be to hard to update stats of the fighters in the game.
This would be a very cool addition if it isnt being done already.

The good news is that the team may be able to make updates more regularly with UFC 3.

I dont know how I feel about weekly or monthly stat updates though. I dont think we should be overreacting to one fight. With Madden, you have weeks of games to judge before making a change. Thats not the case with the UFC.

For example, lets say Cyborg gets KO'd next week. Should the devs drop her heart/toughness ratings simply because she was KO'd once when she hasnt been KO'd before? I'm more for making a quarterly stat update based on more than just 1 fight. Gives you a better picture of what should be changed.

[Serengeti1]

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The good news is that the team may be able to make updates more regularly with UFC 3.

I dont know how I feel about weekly or monthly stat updates though. I dont think we should be overreacting to one fight. With Madden, you have weeks of games to judge before making a change. Thats not the case with the UFC.

For example, lets say Cyborg gets KO'd next week. Should the devs drop her heart/toughness ratings simply because she was KO'd once when she hasnt been KO'd before? I'm more for making a quarterly stat update based on more than just 1 fight. Gives you a better picture of what should be changed.

I think it should be case by case ideally. For instance, Bisping KO's Rockhold. He needs a buff right away imo. On UFC 2 Rockhold's stats blew Bisping's out of the water before he became champ. In that instance I wouldn't make Bisping better than Rockhold. But the stats def need to be buffed quite a bit.

There's a few other examples like that but yeah.

[aholbert32]

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I think it should be case by case ideally. For instance, Bisping KO's Rockhold. He needs a buff right away imo. On UFC 2 Rockhold's stats blew Bisping's out of the water before he became champ. In that instance I wouldn't make Bisping better than Rockhold. But the stats def need to be buffed quite a bit.

There's a few other examples like that but yeah.

Lets talk that through. Before that KO, Bisping had 1 KO in 5 yrs and even that one (the Le fight) was more of an accumulation of punches than a one punch KO.

So what should be buffed? Power? Just because he KO'd Luke (who's been KO'd before)? Hand speed?

This is what I would like to avoid. Updates are great for fighters like Robert Whittaker who is underrated when the game was released and over time greatly improved. But I dont want to buff or nerf someone just because of one fight. Especially when we have plenty of previous fights to determine his stats.

[fballturkey]

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Yeah, the updates are way more important for emergent fighters who you might barely know about now but turn out to be great than for established fighters where we kind of already know the book on them.

[Serengeti1]

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Lets talk that through. Before that KO, Bisping had 1 KO in 5 yrs and even that one (the Le fight) was more of an accumulation of punches than a one punch KO.

So what should be buffed? Power? Just because he KO'd Luke (who's been KO'd before)? Hand speed?

This is what I would like to avoid. Updates are great for fighters like Robert Whittaker who is underrated when the game was released and over time greatly improve. But I dont want to buff or nerf someone just because of one fight. Especially when we have plenty of previous fights to determine his stats.

MMA is not like other sports though. Perception can often change drastically fight to fight. Bisping should have had better boxing in the game originally anyway. But what the Rockhold/Bisping fight told us pretty clearly was Bisping's boxing ability is better than Rockhold's.

You could give him higher level boxing moves. You could buff his power a bit. You could even buff his speed a bit. Do you remember how much Bisping sucked on UFC 2 lol? He was slow and awful.

I'd also personally nerf Rockhold's boxing (if the stats were as they were on UFC 2).

Regular updates would keep the game feeling fresh and current. If they are done correctly I don't see why you'd think it was a problem. I'm not saying every fighter has to be updated after each fight. For instance, Cub's loss shouldn't mean he gets nerfed or anything.

[Nugget7211]

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Lets talk that through. Before that KO, Bisping had 1 KO in 5 yrs and even that one (the Le fight) was more of an accumulation of punches than a one punch KO.

So what should be buffed? Power? Just because he KO'd Luke (who's been KO'd before)? Hand speed?

This is what I would like to avoid. Updates are great for fighters like Robert Whittaker who is underrated when the game was released and over time greatly improve. But I dont want to buff or nerf someone just because of one fight. Especially when we have plenty of previous fights to determine his stats.

I agree, the stat updates should be for the Whittaker's and Garbrandt's or even Shevchenko's of the world, rather than the Bisping's or Josh Emmett's.

[Nugget7211]

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MMA is not like other sports though. Perception can often change drastically fight to fight. Bisping should have had better boxing in the game originally anyway. But what the Rockhold/Bisping fight told us pretty clearly was Bisping's boxing ability is better than Rockhold's.

You could give him higher level boxing moves. You could buff his power a bit. You could even buff his speed a bit. Do you remember how much Bisping sucked on UFC 2 lol? He was slow and awful.

I'd also personally nerf Rockhold's boxing (if the stats were as they were on UFC 2).

Regular updates would keep the game feeling fresh and current. If they are done correctly I don't see why you'd think it was a problem. I'm not saying every fighter has to be updated after each fight. For instance, Cub's loss shouldn't mean he gets nerfed or anything.

To be fair, Bisping looked fairly slow and awful in stretches of Hendo 2 (Nobody with good boxing gets hit by the one strike Dan Henderson could throw at the age of 783) and the GSP fight, so really they were just future proofing.

[Serengeti1]

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Yeah, the updates are way more important for emergent fighters who you might barely know about now but turn out to be great than for established fighters where we kind of already know the book on them.

Of course, but the Bisping/Rockhold example is still valid.

Take two high level players. Give one the original Bisping. One the original Rockhold. If the players are on the same level... The guy using Bisping has no shot. His stats were significantly worse. That's not right.

This also brings up the fact that people think it was just a complete fluke. Bisping knocked Luke down in sparring. It wasn't a complete fluke. Rockhold wins most of the fights between the two but yeah.

[aholbert32]

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MMA is not like other sports though. Perception can often change drastically fight to fight. Bisping should have had better boxing in the game originally anyway. But what the Rockhold/Bisping fight told us pretty clearly was Bisping's boxing ability is better than Rockhold's.

You could give him higher level boxing moves. You could buff his power a bit. You could even buff his speed a bit. Do you remember how much Bisping sucked on UFC 2 lol? He was slow and awful.

I'd also personally nerf Rockhold's boxing (if the stats were as they were on UFC 2).

Regular updates would keep the game feeling fresh and current. If they are done correctly I don't see why you'd think it was a problem. I'm not saying every fighter has to be updated after each fight. For instance, Cub's loss shouldn't mean he gets nerfed or anything.

I'm not saying that regular updates are a bad thing. The problem with comparing it to UFC2 is that the stats sucked in that game overall.

The stats in UFC 3 are so MUCH better and most of the issues people will have will be more of the "I think Bisping should be a 93 instead of a 92" variety and not the "Conor is a grappling god" kind.

So if the stats are solid there wont be a need to make changes for veteran fighters based on one fight result.

[Yaari]

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Am I the only one to actually hate fighter updates? I feel that they are only going to make strong fighters even more OP. As each time they beat someone at their own strength they'll get their stats buffed again.

I don't know. Just not really a fan of it. If someone gets clipped it doesn't mean that it will happen the exact same way every time. Yet he'd likely he rewarded for have much better striking.

[Serengeti1]

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To be fair, Bisping looked fairly slow and awful in stretches of Hendo 2 (Nobody with good boxing gets hit by the one strike Dan Henderson could throw at the age of 783) and the GSP fight, so really they were just future proofing.

I never understood how Dan kept catching him with that **** lol. I'd argue Rockhold needed a nerf more than anything I guess. Branch was having success against him as well. Either way, balancing was needed. Rockhold was too much better than Bisping in the game.