The NBA 2K League Selects its Players, Predictable Outcry Ensues From Those Not Selected

[CCman]

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It seems you guys are missing the guys point.

How do i explain this.

It's as if you're only talking about what you want to talk about in regards to what he's actually speaking about.

It's real simple.
Did the 2k league tell the community it was all about the combine and nothing else(as far as nothing else gameplay wise prior to the combine)? YES they did. and he shows proof of this over and over again. we didnt need that proof because we all read the stuff where they said that.

Pause.... now in your mind you're thinking "but we all knew that was never going to be the case since this is a business...."


Thats besides the point he's making. he's not saying its wrong from a pure business standpoint.

It's the equivalent of how some people argue in favor of capitalism and big business even when they clearly are crapping on the little guy and doing things that are UNETHICAL. now is it legal?SURE. is it unETHICAL? YEP.

This guy is talking about the ETHICS of what went down. Not does it make business since or not. thats it thats all.

if you realize thats all he's talking about. you will also realize he's right. So the discussion should end there unless you want to talk about what Should the league have done otherwise from a purely ETHICAL standpoint. and before someone says but this is about business.
I want you guys to remember and i know some of you are old enough to know this. If you graduate with a degree in business or something related to business. you almost always have to take a course on business.......EThics. Why do you think this is? Because without it, you will have people doing business based purely on the numbers without regard for human's being involved. You do not want that kind of business. Because that means anything goes. When capitalism was starting off, even the guy who helped created it said yall better keep an eye on it because otherwise it could get out of hand. meaning if left to its on devices it has no feelings. you need feelings (ethics) when dealing with people.

In my opinion, what should have happened was simple. the league should have only said their are various methods we will use to choose who gets in. And left it at that because this is the first time around they will not get it right. I promise you of that. it will some good picks and horrible picks and some in between. but thats how it goes the first time around. the next time you can be more transparent because you yourself know exactly what you're looking for and how to go about filtering out people or getting those people to pop up on your radar. This way people would've been mad at the lack of transparency but at least no one would have actually said one thing when something else occurred. Which is this guys entire gripe in a nutshell.

Just because us older heads are used to the BS of corporations doesnt make it right or ethical. And thats all this dude is talking about. thats it. and it doesnt matter WHY he's doing what he's doing either. even if it was 100% because he didnt get picked. doesnt matter. a lie is a lie pure and simple. Did they lie? YEP. thats it.

Was it rigged? YES to a degree it was. does that mean it was rigged for every spot? NO. But it was rigged purely based on the fact you swore one thing was the thing that counted on the basketball side and we now know that is not the case.

In addition, the league brought this on themselves by talking too much and saying things they knew were not true. you and i all knew they would pick some guys based on their previously play outside of the combine. we already knew this. but they should have not have said a word or kept 100 and said we have chosen X number players from the draft already and the other slots are from the combine/interviews, etc. people would've been upset early. but again, you still never lied to them. so they could get over a truth a lot easier.

Lastly, it was bound to be somewhat rigged no matter what they were using to choose guys based on the mere fact you have teams running around talking to these dudes as well as the Head of the league following these guys. You can't do that. and this is where they can't hide behind the "you kids dont understand how big companies work."
STOP IT. the real nba doesnt do what they just did. They hit Magic for tampering the 2nd time for answering a question about the greek freak saying Yeah he's going to bring the bucks a ring one day. Like if thats tampering. you know what the 2k league was doing was well beyond that.

Again this is the first time around. I have a feeling they didnt take it as seriously as they are trying to make the young guys take it. they were thinking I can follow these guys, i can talk to these guys whats the big deal this is JUST A....video game league. this aint like...the real thing. Well, now they know. that cant happen the next time.

That was a long winded post to essentially say the guy has a right to bitch. Sure he can complain all he wants but anyone offerring a job doesn't have to disclose all that they are looking for in the process.

When i place a job posting i give an idea of what i am looking for but i dont lay out exactly what the applicants need to do to to secure the job.

That is up to them but i do agree that if i start hiring my cousins and his friends and ignore the applicants that it isnt fair but it's not unethical just potentially a bad business decision.

If they are making horrendous choices as people are saying then the league will fail but as you have seen in other esports league (overwatch, fifa) it's not just about talented guys but their character is what will help make this league successful.

[splashmountain]

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Yes the NBA does do that.

You think this guy is going to be on a team now after those 2 videos?

The NBA can choose who it wants to showcase. You don't bad mouth the very league your trying to get into. They are paying you!...... They don't need you. This guys best course of action. Would be to erase these videos. And relax. Change his screen name. And start all over again. He literally signing up for a job. "He can run home to his daddy and say look. I make money playing video games". He burned that bridge.

Ask any OS Vet around here. "How many times have we had trailers and blog post by 2k people for when release times comes. It's not in the game?.... Seriously Ask....I'll answer it for you.... Every single release.

Say it right there on the box "Subject to Change"

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you see. you said, says it on the box subject to change. thats being HONEST. they did not say that this time. thats the leagues fault. again. you're having a different conversation about 'dont burn bridges'. thats his choice.

The same mentality of not burning bridges applies to real life hollywood when it came to those women/children telling others that they have been sexually assaulted by those that ran the industry. people around them would say "keep quiet, cause otherwise you will burn bridges in this industry." and most of them kept their mouths shut, made money in the industry and only recently came out. a small batch of others made noise the entire time and pretty much all of the noise makers were blackballed.

I know what you're going to say this aint that. It's not. but its the same basic premise. When you feel that there's an unethical thing happening you have the choice to expose said thing and deal with that fall out or not expose it and try not to burn a bridge. he made his choice. and i aint mad at him for it. because what will happen in the future is they will change some things around all due to him exposing their unethical decisions. Basically everyone else that gets in the league will benefit from him being burned at the stake for exposing them. but guess what? thats the way it always is ask Colin Kaep. Ask many civil rights leaders. ask anyone who goes against the status quo or large corporations. You always have two choices. tell the truth which will expose them and probably be blackballed or dont tell the truth and be selfish and get your shot to be involved with said big corporation regardless of their unethical behavior.

He did a good job and it will help all those that get into the league after this. He wont be in the league most likely. But the truth is this. If you're not a shady league. And he isnt cursing and yelling and calling names etc. He's just telling the truth. Why would you not allow him to get on a team next season if he deserved it?

If its true that he was smart enough as a young kid not to put crazy stuff on social media his entire life. thats a plus that most of these players probably do not have. if his stick skills are on point and his basketball iq are high and he's a good teammate. why would you not allow him to be drafted? Oh because he told on you? LOL. that means you...the big corporation full of FULLY GROWN MEN are mad at a guy thats like 20 years old. What you so mad about if it wasnt true? and if it was, clean it up and move on to do better the next season.

Thats the part the regular people that say stuff like what you guys are saying about not burning bridges, dont ever speak on. why is that bridge burned? It shouldnt be. if i say you have a piece of spinach in your teeth and you actually do. Should you get rid of me as your friend or think of me as a legit friend because I told you how you really looked and gave you a chance to fix the situation before you went back out there to be seen by others?

[vtcrb]

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Real world money equals real world behavior. I knew the Entitlement Generation was going to not handle this well. It is the act like a baby when you don't get your way actions that I was expecting.

You were applying for a job and the EMPLOYER picks who they want representing their company. You don't get the job, you work on your weaknesses and apply again next year. Instead of doing that he has basically ruined any chance he would have had in future opportunities with the 2K League.

[splashmountain]

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Real world money equals real world behavior. I knew the Entitlement Generation was going to not handle this well. It is the act like a baby when you don't get your way actions that I was expecting.

You were applying for a job and the EMPLOYER picks who they want representing their company. You don't get the job, you work on your weaknesses and apply again next year. Instead of doing that he has basically ruined any chance he would have had in future opportunities with the 2K League.

please please please, can we stop using the EMPLOYER logic. its not the same at all.


When you apply for a normal job. The employer does not tell you "Hey if you want to get hired make sure you are at the combine because thats the only thing that matters, nothing on your or an other applicants resume before the combine matters." then turn around and hire someone based on their resume prior to the combine. Can they do that? YEP. Do they do that? NO.

They dont tell you anything at all. they say, here's the job description, here are the qualifications. if you qualify please apply. Thats it. you have to go fishing for someone you know that already works there or online to try and guess what the hiring manager/HR is looking for.

^^^That method is not what the 2k league did. Thats actually probably what they SHOULD have done to keep from being exposed for being unethical.

There's a reason a lot of private companies dont like people talking about their PAY. There's a reason why woman later find out they are making a lot less than their male counterparts doing the exact same job with the same qualifications and history. Thats because these private companies hide that info and tell the employee you will get in trouble if you talk about your salary. Because they know they may do something UNETHICAL. but they dont want to get caught so mums the word. No talking about this or that.

the 2k league did not take that road in the beginning only after being exposed did they have the reporter as their mouth piece saying "They dont owe you anything." well the moment you Promise something, you actually owe it. If you dont want to owe me anything, Dont promise me anything. What you guys dont realize is this is how companies get sued for the smallest things. You mess around and pull up all those people working on behalf of the league saying "only the combine matters". and all you have to do is give ONE example. not two or more. ONE where it proves the combine was not the reason why said player made the cut. And that could be grounds for a lawsuit. Yes, something this small dealing with a video game league. and guess what else? The courts dont care why the person suing is mad. All they want to know is Did the 2k league promise A, B, and C? and did they go back on said promise at any point in time? if the answer two those two questions are YES and YES. thats all a court/judge would care about. the award then goes to the plantiff. It's called False Advertisement. Now due to this being a job. it may be some other law governing saying one thing and doing something else. it could depend on what state the league is in or the state the plaintiff is in.

But dont get all caught up on this guy being mad he didnt make the cut. of course he's hot. that still doesnt take the facts away. Did they say one thing and do another? YES or NO? The answer is YES. there really is nothing else to discuss when it comes to this guy outside of that. He's right, they are wrong. thats it. He still aint going to be in the league and they will still have to deal with people knowing they lied(which they never had to do to begin with.)

[CCman]

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please please please, can we stop using the EMPLOYER logic. its not the same at all.


When you apply for a normal job. The employer does not tell you "Hey if you want to get hired make sure you are at the combine because thats the only thing that matters, nothing on your or an other applicants resume before the combine matters." then turn around and hire someone based on their resume prior to the combine. Can they do that? YEP. Do they do that? NO.

They dont tell you anything at all. they say, here's the job description, here are the qualifications. if you qualify please apply. Thats it. you have to go fishing for someone you know that already works there or online to try and guess what the hiring manager/HR is looking for.

^^^That method is not what the 2k league did. Thats actually probably what they SHOULD have done to keep from being exposed for being unethical.

There's a reason a lot of private companies dont like people talking about their PAY. There's a reason why woman later find out they are making a lot less than their male counterparts doing the exact same job with the same qualifications and history. Thats because these private companies hide that info and tell the employee you will get in trouble if you talk about your salary. Because they know they may do something UNETHICAL. but they dont want to get caught so mums the word. No talking about this or that.

the 2k league did not take that road in the beginning only after being exposed did they have the reporter as their mouth piece saying "They dont owe you anything." well the moment you Promise something, you actually owe it. If you dont want to owe me anything, Dont promise me anything. What you guys dont realize is this is how companies get sued for the smallest things. You mess around and pull up all those people working on behalf of the league saying "only the combine matters". and all you have to do is give ONE example. not two or more. ONE where it proves the combine was not the reason why said player made the cut. And that could be grounds for a lawsuit. Yes, something this small dealing with a video game league. and guess what else? The courts dont care why the person suing is mad. All they want to know is Did the 2k league promise A, B, and C? and did they go back on said promise at any point in time? if the answer two those two questions are YES and YES. thats all a court/judge would care about. the award then goes to the plantiff. It's called False Advertisement. Now due to this being a job. it may be some other law governing saying one thing and doing something else. it could depend on what state the league is in or the state the plaintiff is in.

But dont get all caught up on this guy being mad he didnt make the cut. of course he's hot. that still doesnt take the facts away. Did they say one thing and do another? YES or NO? The answer is YES. there really is nothing else to discuss when it comes to this guy outside of that. He's right, they are wrong. thats it. He still aint going to be in the league and they will still have to deal with people knowing they lied(which they never had to do to begin with.)

If you replace "combine" with "interview process" then it is the exact same. The combine was just one factor of the interview process and you can't disconnect the Employer piece because that is what these people were competing for, A JOB.

Was there a contract somewhere that said "If you do X and Y at the combine you are guaranteed a position in the league" and did all these people sign it?

If so then you have a case otherwise you are whining that somehow 2k should be forced into hiring these guys which is ridiculous. Anyway 2k obviously saw something in this guy because he immediately reacts by doing this when obviously there will be drop-offs from the league or some other situation that will allow other players in at some point. He has nullified that ever happening.

You have to understand this isn't just about letting people into the league because they are great at scoring 40 pts a game. You are employing these people which means you have other obligations and headaches to deal with like HR, PR and trying to market this league (which i still doubt has any marketable value) which means you want people that will follow your philosophy as a company, for right or wrong.

There is nothing Unethical about this.

Also if your point is that 2k is wrong in their approach then i don't understand what they should have done?

[Foldzy]

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When has 2k ever been honest or straight forward with the community? It is what it is they are gonna do what they feel will make them the most money. Sometimes it backfires ala this year's MyTeam but honestly most of the people that are salty wouldn't have been selected no matter what system they used and this has no effect on our day to day game.

[jeebs9]

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Real world money equals real world behavior. I knew the Entitlement Generation was going to not handle this well. It is the act like a baby when you don't get your way actions that I was expecting.

You were applying for a job and the EMPLOYER picks who they want representing their company. You don't get the job, you work on your weaknesses and apply again next year. Instead of doing that he has basically ruined any chance he would have had in future opportunities with the 2K League.

Exactly!!!!

I'm in IT.... I would never a bridge. Make a whole video about a company. Why would any company bring you into their league?

Like I said... growing up (in Brooklyn) there were a lot of guys that could of made to the NBA. That's why players like Iverson such weird endings to their career. Weird image problems that just don't match up with the team image.

[Yesh2kdone]

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It's a difficult one for me. I didn't try and qualify and I have no interest in watching any of it when it takes place (I don't really know where their audience will come from).

I can see that kids PoV; especially with that team manager pretending he could get that dude into the draft after he thought he'd been left out, and this has been added to with 2k's approach of not always appearing transparent and at times maybe a little underhanded.

That said, I don't believe for a second that the complaints of that chocolate kid are true.

[splashmountain]

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That was a long winded post to essentially say the guy has a right to bitch. Sure he can complain all he wants but anyone offerring a job doesn't have to disclose all that they are looking for in the process.

When i place a job posting i give an idea of what i am looking for but i dont lay out exactly what the applicants need to do to to secure the job.

That is up to them but i do agree that if i start hiring my cousins and his friends and ignore the applicants that it isnt fair but it's not unethical just potentially a bad business decision.

If they are making horrendous choices as people are saying then the league will fail but as you have seen in other esports league (overwatch, fifa) it's not just about talented guys but their character is what will help make this league successful.

incorrect. that was a long winded post to say The guy was RIGHT from an Ethical Stand point. thats the part it seems you guys are glossing over.

He isnt talking about from a business standpoint. from an ethical standpoint they lied. and we all know they did. end of that part of the discussion. there is nothing else to say on that front unless we want to talk about what we think they should have done differently.

There's a reasons all of you guys replies are identical. You are saying "bu bu but... its a business...its a job...they can do whatever they want."

That was never the guys issue. Did they lie? yes or no. if the answer is yes. thats it. he's right. they lied.

[splashmountain]

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If you replace "combine" with "interview process" then it is the exact same. The combine was just one factor of the interview process and you can't disconnect the Employer piece because that is what these people were competing for, A JOB.

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Incorrect.

you guys are refusing to see the guys point because you dont want to give credit because you dont like that he's mad about not getting in and going about it this way.

Take your feelings out of it for a moment.

What is this guy talking about? he says THEY LIED.

Did they LIE?

YES.

there is nothing else to say. are any of you going to address that fact? or are we going to talk about jobs/careers, blah blah blah, that has zero to do with the guys premise.

I'll say it again.

A job wants to hire someone.

They have qualifications put out there, and job duties. Then they say apply here if you are qualified(meet the qualifications.)

You apply with your resume, cover letter, fill out an application.

Then from there they choose to interview you based on what criteria? Whatever criteria they came up with whenever they felt like it.

now if i applied and was a qualified candidate. i can get mad about not getting a phone call for an interview. I can say they are unethical in how they never called ALL qualified applicants. But what I can't say is that they Lied to me about how I would be able to qualify. You know why? because they gave me the qualifications and never once said "if you qualify you will automatically be interviewed."

I'll take it further.

The above is the private sector.
In the public sector due to unions/bargaining units. they have other agreements to make the process more fair and transparent. which is why any citizen can pull up those people's salaries because our tax dollars are paying their wages. thats not the case in the private sector. which is why/how women can easily be paid less than their male counterparts and never know.

so back to the public sector:
Job is available, job duties or shown, qualifications are shown.
Then there's a test to be taken IF you meet the qualifications set forth on the job board.

if you meet said qualifications, you HAVE to be called for the test. If you rank in the top 10 for the test. You HAVE to be called for an interview. but they dont have to choose you. Now watch this.. If you're in the top 3 and #1, and #2 were not chosen or ended up choosing to go elsewhere or other depts. THey have to CHOOSE YOU mr/mrs #3. or else you can complain about it.

What the 2k league did was try to play both sides of the private and public sector. and this dude caught them and called them out for it.

if they wanted to keep it all private status. they should've never said ONLY THE COMBINE MATTERS. because that was not true.

If they wanted to keep it all public status and they chose to say ONLY THE COMBINE MATTERS. that means everyone in that Combine that did not ball out, based on their metrics should not have received an email to invite them for an interview. because they did not pass the test that the league themselves said was the end all be all.

You can't have it both ways. You got caught in a Lie. so someone called you a liar. did you lie? YES. end of discussion. move along and realize you have to chose which side are you going with the next time to avoid lying.

[The 24th Letter]

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The simnation guys have provided some great commentary about how the community is representing itself throughout this process.

Brian Mazique has been immensely insightful. His basic argument is that a lot of guys are too young to realise that presenting themselves as marketable to the corporates is half the battle, and some players are burning bridges.

Yes, as have the some of the more seasoned 2K YTers who were the same position. Josiah mentioned this more than two months ago in his article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.operationsports.com/qualifying-nba-2k-league-5-things-remember/amp/

Kick, scream, type until you turn blue....but this is the real world....hopefully they learn from the experience.....


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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Haven’t paid much attention to this league but hopefully they picked the best of the best .

[splashmountain]

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It's a difficult one for me. I didn't try and qualify and I have no interest in watching any of it when it takes place (I don't really know where their audience will come from).

I can see that kids PoV; especially with that team manager pretending he could get that dude into the draft after he thought he'd been left out, and this has been added to with 2k's approach of not always appearing transparent and at times maybe a little underhanded.

That said, I don't believe for a second that the complaints of that chocolate kid are true.

but his complaints are true. those messages have been confirmed by the league to be true. which is why they tried to clarify some things.

at the end of the day they promised one thing. lied about it and did something else. some guy got rejected got mad about that and used that anger to expose the fact that he knew they were not telling the truth.

did they lie? YES.

move along, nothing else to see here.

and i'm glad he exposed them because you need people like that to expose liars or lies. it keeps these big companies on their toes. otherwise they would just completely run us little guys over and then hit the reverse on our heads.

[splashmountain]

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Haven’t paid much attention to this league but hopefully they picked the best of the best .

they didnt. some are going to be elite. some are going to be okay and some will get exposed as having no business being chosen. its their first try at it. it will at least take this one questionable setup to help them figure out how to go about it the next time.

someone in this thread or another one said they need to create a gleague within 2k. I agree. They already have gatorade as an Ad partner. That mode could be some sort of online league for my players under the exact same rules/guidelines/archetypes(positions)/sliders as the true league. and they can keep the stats structure they had going in the background and just collect data all year long. to find out who else will be eligible for the next league. That would be the smart thing to do. because doing this will knock out 2 birds with one stone.
it will keep at minimum the guys in that smaller league(unpaid) hyped about the real league and watching. and it will give them a head start on who should be in the final batch of guys that deserve an interview or at least that final 1000 or so before they really start breaking it down.

but we'll see what they do with it.

[splashmountain]

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Yes, as have the some of the more seasoned 2K YTers who were the same position. Josiah mentioned this more than two months ago in his article.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.operationsports.com/qualifying-nba-2k-league-5-things-remember/amp/

Kick, scream, type until you turn blue....but this is the real world....hopefully they learn from the experience.....


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i hate that logic. "it is what it is" yeah we already know that. that doesnt make it right. the idea where you just constantly shrug off all shady behavior because "it is what it is" is the reason we have to deal with the shadiness to begin with. That same "oh well... thats just the way it goes" is the exact same mentality that was in hollywood for all those decades until this year when people FINALLY started exposing people for what they were doing to women and children. that hollywood stuff coming out is a lesson not just to that industry but to everyone in general. if you keep taking it, they will keep dishing it. Only when you get TIRED of the BS and say something will you see things change. But keep rolling along with the "oh well thats status quo" mentality and nothing will ever change.