The NBA 2K League Selects its Players, Predictable Outcry Ensues From Those Not Selected

[splashmountain]

Quote: Originally Posted by jeebs9

Yes the NBA does do that. You think this guy is going to be on a team now after those 2 videos? The NBA can choose who it wants to showcase. You don't bad mouth the very league your trying to get into. They are paying you!...... They don't need you. This guys best course of action. Would be to erase these videos. And relax. Change his screen name. And start all over again. He literally signing up for a job. "He can run home to his daddy and say look. I make money playing video games". He burned that bridge. Ask any OS Vet around here. "How many times have we had trailers and blog post by 2k people for when release times comes. It's not in the game?.... Seriously Ask....I'll answer it for you.... Every single release. Say it right there on the box "Subject to Change" Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

you see. you said, says it on the box subject to change. thats being HONEST. they did not say that this time. thats the leagues fault. again. you're having a different conversation about 'dont burn bridges'. thats his choice.

The same mentality of not burning bridges applies to real life hollywood when it came to those women/children telling others that they have been sexually assaulted by those that ran the industry. people around them would say "keep quiet, cause otherwise you will burn bridges in this industry." and most of them kept their mouths shut, made money in the industry and only recently came out. a small batch of others made noise the entire time and pretty much all of the noise makers were blackballed.

I know what you're going to say this aint that. It's not. but its the same basic premise. When you feel that there's an unethical thing happening you have the choice to expose said thing and deal with that fall out or not expose it and try not to burn a bridge. he made his choice. and i aint mad at him for it. because what will happen in the future is they will change some things around all due to him exposing their unethical decisions. Basically everyone else that gets in the league will benefit from him being burned at the stake for exposing them. but guess what? thats the way it always is ask Colin Kaep. Ask many civil rights leaders. ask anyone who goes against the status quo or large corporations. You always have two choices. tell the truth which will expose them and probably be blackballed or dont tell the truth and be selfish and get your shot to be involved with said big corporation regardless of their unethical behavior.

He did a good job and it will help all those that get into the league after this. He wont be in the league most likely. But the truth is this. If you're not a shady league. And he isnt cursing and yelling and calling names etc. He's just telling the truth. Why would you not allow him to get on a team next season if he deserved it?

If its true that he was smart enough as a young kid not to put crazy stuff on social media his entire life. thats a plus that most of these players probably do not have. if his stick skills are on point and his basketball iq are high and he's a good teammate. why would you not allow him to be drafted? Oh because he told on you? LOL. that means you...the big corporation full of FULLY GROWN MEN are mad at a guy thats like 20 years old. What you so mad about if it wasnt true? and if it was, clean it up and move on to do better the next season.

Thats the part the regular people that say stuff like what you guys are saying about not burning bridges, dont ever speak on. why is that bridge burned? It shouldnt be. if i say you have a piece of spinach in your teeth and you actually do. Should you get rid of me as your friend or think of me as a legit friend because I told you how you really looked and gave you a chance to fix the situation before you went back out there to be seen by others?

[vtcrb]

Real world money equals real world behavior. I knew the Entitlement Generation was going to not handle this well. It is the act like a baby when you don't get your way actions that I was expecting.

You were applying for a job and the EMPLOYER picks who they want representing their company. You don't get the job, you work on your weaknesses and apply again next year. Instead of doing that he has basically ruined any chance he would have had in future opportunities with the 2K League.

[splashmountain]

Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

Real world money equals real world behavior. I knew the Entitlement Generation was going to not handle this well. It is the act like a baby when you don't get your way actions that I was expecting. You were applying for a job and the EMPLOYER picks who they want representing their company. You don't get the job, you work on your weaknesses and apply again next year. Instead of doing that he has basically ruined any chance he would have had in future opportunities with the 2K League.

please please please, can we stop using the EMPLOYER logic. its not the same at all.


When you apply for a normal job. The employer does not tell you "Hey if you want to get hired make sure you are at the combine because thats the only thing that matters, nothing on your or an other applicants resume before the combine matters." then turn around and hire someone based on their resume prior to the combine. Can they do that? YEP. Do they do that? NO.

They dont tell you anything at all. they say, here's the job description, here are the qualifications. if you qualify please apply. Thats it. you have to go fishing for someone you know that already works there or online to try and guess what the hiring manager/HR is looking for.

^^^That method is not what the 2k league did. Thats actually probably what they SHOULD have done to keep from being exposed for being unethical.

There's a reason a lot of private companies dont like people talking about their PAY. There's a reason why woman later find out they are making a lot less than their male counterparts doing the exact same job with the same qualifications and history. Thats because these private companies hide that info and tell the employee you will get in trouble if you talk about your salary. Because they know they may do something UNETHICAL. but they dont want to get caught so mums the word. No talking about this or that.

the 2k league did not take that road in the beginning only after being exposed did they have the reporter as their mouth piece saying "They dont owe you anything." well the moment you Promise something, you actually owe it. If you dont want to owe me anything, Dont promise me anything. What you guys dont realize is this is how companies get sued for the smallest things. You mess around and pull up all those people working on behalf of the league saying "only the combine matters". and all you have to do is give ONE example. not two or more. ONE where it proves the combine was not the reason why said player made the cut. And that could be grounds for a lawsuit. Yes, something this small dealing with a video game league. and guess what else? The courts dont care why the person suing is mad. All they want to know is Did the 2k league promise A, B, and C? and did they go back on said promise at any point in time? if the answer two those two questions are YES and YES. thats all a court/judge would care about. the award then goes to the plantiff. It's called False Advertisement. Now due to this being a job. it may be some other law governing saying one thing and doing something else. it could depend on what state the league is in or the state the plaintiff is in.

But dont get all caught up on this guy being mad he didnt make the cut. of course he's hot. that still doesnt take the facts away. Did they say one thing and do another? YES or NO? The answer is YES. there really is nothing else to discuss when it comes to this guy outside of that. He's right, they are wrong. thats it. He still aint going to be in the league and they will still have to deal with people knowing they lied(which they never had to do to begin with.)

[CCman]

Quote: Originally Posted by splashmountain

please please please, can we stop using the EMPLOYER logic. its not the same at all. When you apply for a normal job. The employer does not tell you "Hey if you want to get hired make sure you are at the combine because thats the only thing that matters, nothing on your or an other applicants resume before the combine matters." then turn around and hire someone based on their resume prior to the combine. Can they do that? YEP. Do they do that? NO. They dont tell you anything at all. they say, here's the job description, here are the qualifications. if you qualify please apply. Thats it. you have to go fishing for someone you know that already works there or online to try and guess what the hiring manager/HR is looking for. ^^^That method is not what the 2k league did. Thats actually probably what they SHOULD have done to keep from being exposed for being unethical. There's a reason a lot of private companies dont like people talking about their PAY. There's a reason why woman later find out they are making a lot less than their male counterparts doing the exact same job with the same qualifications and history. Thats because these private companies hide that info and tell the employee you will get in trouble if you talk about your salary. Because they know they may do something UNETHICAL. but they dont want to get caught so mums the word. No talking about this or that. the 2k league did not take that road in the beginning only after being exposed did they have the reporter as their mouth piece saying "They dont owe you anything." well the moment you Promise something, you actually owe it. If you dont want to owe me anything, Dont promise me anything. What you guys dont realize is this is how companies get sued for the smallest things. You mess around and pull up all those people working on behalf of the league saying "only the combine matters". and all you have to do is give ONE example. not two or more. ONE where it proves the combine was not the reason why said player made the cut. And that could be grounds for a lawsuit. Yes, something this small dealing with a video game league. and guess what else? The courts dont care why the person suing is mad. All they want to know is Did the 2k league promise A, B, and C? and did they go back on said promise at any point in time? if the answer two those two questions are YES and YES. thats all a court/judge would care about. the award then goes to the plantiff. It's called False Advertisement. Now due to this being a job. it may be some other law governing saying one thing and doing something else. it could depend on what state the league is in or the state the plaintiff is in. But dont get all caught up on this guy being mad he didnt make the cut. of course he's hot. that still doesnt take the facts away. Did they say one thing and do another? YES or NO? The answer is YES. there really is nothing else to discuss when it comes to this guy outside of that. He's right, they are wrong. thats it. He still aint going to be in the league and they will still have to deal with people knowing they lied(which they never had to do to begin with.)

If you replace "combine" with "interview process" then it is the exact same. The combine was just one factor of the interview process and you can't disconnect the Employer piece because that is what these people were competing for, A JOB.

Was there a contract somewhere that said "If you do X and Y at the combine you are guaranteed a position in the league" and did all these people sign it?

If so then you have a case otherwise you are whining that somehow 2k should be forced into hiring these guys which is ridiculous. Anyway 2k obviously saw something in this guy because he immediately reacts by doing this when obviously there will be drop-offs from the league or some other situation that will allow other players in at some point. He has nullified that ever happening.

You have to understand this isn't just about letting people into the league because they are great at scoring 40 pts a game. You are employing these people which means you have other obligations and headaches to deal with like HR, PR and trying to market this league (which i still doubt has any marketable value) which means you want people that will follow your philosophy as a company, for right or wrong.

There is nothing Unethical about this.

Also if your point is that 2k is wrong in their approach then i don't understand what they should have done?

[Foldzy]

When has 2k ever been honest or straight forward with the community? It is what it is they are gonna do what they feel will make them the most money. Sometimes it backfires ala this year's MyTeam but honestly most of the people that are salty wouldn't have been selected no matter what system they used and this has no effect on our day to day game.

[jeebs9]

Quote: Originally Posted by vtcrb

Real world money equals real world behavior. I knew the Entitlement Generation was going to not handle this well. It is the act like a baby when you don't get your way actions that I was expecting. You were applying for a job and the EMPLOYER picks who they want representing their company. You don't get the job, you work on your weaknesses and apply again next year. Instead of doing that he has basically ruined any chance he would have had in future opportunities with the 2K League.

Exactly!!!!

I'm in IT.... I would never a bridge. Make a whole video about a company. Why would any company bring you into their league?

Like I said... growing up (in Brooklyn) there were a lot of guys that could of made to the NBA. That's why players like Iverson such weird endings to their career. Weird image problems that just don't match up with the team image.

[Yesh2kdone]

It's a difficult one for me. I didn't try and qualify and I have no interest in watching any of it when it takes place (I don't really know where their audience will come from).

I can see that kids PoV; especially with that team manager pretending he could get that dude into the draft after he thought he'd been left out, and this has been added to with 2k's approach of not always appearing transparent and at times maybe a little underhanded.

That said, I don't believe for a second that the complaints of that chocolate kid are true.

[splashmountain]

Quote: Originally Posted by CCman

That was a long winded post to essentially say the guy has a right to bitch. Sure he can complain all he wants but anyone offerring a job doesn't have to disclose all that they are looking for in the process. When i place a job posting i give an idea of what i am looking for but i dont lay out exactly what the applicants need to do to to secure the job. That is up to them but i do agree that if i start hiring my cousins and his friends and ignore the applicants that it isnt fair but it's not unethical just potentially a bad business decision. If they are making horrendous choices as people are saying then the league will fail but as you have seen in other esports league (overwatch, fifa) it's not just about talented guys but their character is what will help make this league successful.

incorrect. that was a long winded post to say The guy was RIGHT from an Ethical Stand point. thats the part it seems you guys are glossing over.

He isnt talking about from a business standpoint. from an ethical standpoint they lied. and we all know they did. end of that part of the discussion. there is nothing else to say on that front unless we want to talk about what we think they should have done differently.

There's a reasons all of you guys replies are identical. You are saying "bu bu but... its a business...its a job...they can do whatever they want."

That was never the guys issue. Did they lie? yes or no. if the answer is yes. thats it. he's right. they lied.