Skundy's ZeroBased All-Madden Realisim Sliders

**skundy** · 10-25-2018, 02:01 PM

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My personal setup is exactly as posted. I will be posting some stats later this evening. Me and a friend of mine are in the last week of our franchise with these sliders so it will be interesting to see the season stats because we play every play,every game.

It should provide plenty of insight. May have to either up qtr length or decrease accel clock runoff to give time for just a few more plays.

I am a franchise player so obviously these sliders are geared toward franchise play. Yes I wanted to create a certain level of realism but I also wanted user stats to be inline with cpu stats in franchise mode. Cpu stats in franchise mode don't always match the NFL. I tried to find a good balance of both.

I was seeing way too many picks on both sides of the ball. If these defenders can catch like they do on default they would be playing offense. So I toned down both user and cpu INT. I would like to see user INT set higher but cpu QB's don't throw as many INT when simming games in CFM for some reason, so I knocked it down a bit so users won't be guaranteed to lead the league in INT.

I also noticed the CPU never fumbled and the user rarely did. So I increased the chance for both to do so. I've had some game changing late game fumbles both offensively and defensively that I never saw before.

I've been a fan of zero based sliders for years. Probably back to 2012, I like to think they let the ratings play. Speed Thresh set at 0 I like because I want those fast players to be fast. I've noticed more slider sets have this set to 50+ but I haven't noticed any game breaking at 0 except don't expect your LB to chase down John Ross lol. Whom I have on my franchise team along with Lamar Jackson and neither is anywhere even close to over powered due to their speed. I run a pro/spread hybrid system that feeds off of speed but my offense was not great this season.

Combine that with properly adjusted penalty sliders and you can get some great game play. Most people don't realize that penalty sliders have a bigger effect on game play than the actual game play sliders. They have for years. There was an excellent post on here some years ago where a guy went deep into penalties.

I also read a post by a user for Madden 19 where he studied franchises a few years down the road. He found that INT dropped off significantly. Also linemen drop off in talent to the point that a mid 70's lineman is best in the league in OVR.

In my own personal franchise I bumped all OFF lineman XP to 125. Still testing this to see how it works out. Sorry for the lengthy reply.

Game on,
Rebel_of_Torn aka SkUnDy

**skundy** · 10-25-2018, 02:03 PM

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Reserved for edits.

**skundy** · 10-25-2018, 02:08 PM

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Some of you guys may remember me from my work on NCAA 14 sliders. I had two sets Skundy's Saturday Night Fever and Skundy's Real Deal Gridiron. The last work I did on sliders for Madden was for Madden 12. Its been awhile but I've been playing Madden since Madden 90 on SuperNes and Sega Genesis, my love for not only the game of football but the Madden Franchise runs deep.

Console crashed so I've been playing Madden 08 since 2014 and have been patiently waiting for the return to PC. Up until this release of Madden I thought I had 08 tweaked to perfection to be the best playing football game I've ever played.

Madden 19 proved me wrong. Now that I have got it to a point that its fun and challenging at the same time I am having a blast playing Madden again. I've been tweaking since release and just now feel comfortable releasing a set.

Please leave feedback or post stats.

**Darth Aegis** · 10-26-2018, 10:55 AM

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Nice to see a zero threshold slider set instead of just default or around default. Will give these a go. Stats look in line for the Qtr length.Thanks!

**skundy** · 10-26-2018, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by DaReal Milticket

Nice to see a zero threshold slider set instead of just default or around default. Will give these a go. Stats look in line for the Qtr length.Thanks!

Let me know how they play for you. My friend and I that just finished our first season with these sliders, really enjoyed them. He was my main source of critique and feedback so I'm looking forward to hearing from more people that try the set. Also on the game stats, I lost my internet connection in both of those games and it showed all points were scored in the 4th qtr but obviously they weren't so that's why I don't have any of the scores per quarter. I checked the other games from my schedule and they are fine.

Will be posting the season stats at some point today. Overall I think they played well enough to be competitive stats wise and inline with the cpu sim stats. I think biggest concern is Plays run Per game. I will either increase QTR Length to 13min and increase accel clock to 16 or leave QTR length at 12 min and decrase accel clock to 18. Whichever one gives a few more plays but not too many. If you go too long or run too many plays it makes it near impossible to hold your opponent to under 250 yds offense, which is hard enough to do as is and I seem to have this goal every week almost. I think I hit the goal once or twice during the season and thats it.

Going back and looking at the user games from the season we just completed. There was an average of 40-55 plays run per team which is close to NFL numbers. In this past week 7 (real NFL) teams average between 50-60 plays per game with a few exceptions. The Bucs ran 84 bc of OT, the Chiefs ran about 70, somebody was down in the mid 40's but most were 50-60 plays per game.

I did discover something yesterday though. In CFM, if you sim games where both teams are under cpu control, you will get very scripted results. I discovered this while testing Madden out as a sports betting simulation tool.

I first simmed with all teams under cpu control except the one user team that has to be claimed, I chose a random team. With current rosters and Preexisting injuries on, injuries off, trades off, upgrades set to end of season so there wouldn't be any changes and the teams would be as they are in real life.

I simmed to week 7 and saved. I then began simming week 7, sim/record/reload. What I noticed was that games under cpu control had the same results every time I simmed, even the score and stats would be the same. Really put a monkey wrench in my plans, bc I was simming 25x to get probability numbers for betting.

I changed a few of them teams over to user control and bam, variations in W/L results and scores/stats. So I restarted the process over and placed all teams under user control.

I was shocked at the results, no more were the games results scripted. Each reload and resim was giving me different results, exactly as I wanted. For week 7 Madden was 10 of 14. Not bad, I will be testing week 8 this weekend. Will share the results.

I'm wondering though what kind of effect this has on our CFM, why does a team being under CPU or USER control have any effect on simming? Can we get better sim results if we place the teams under user control? That is what I will be testing today. I want us to be able to get the best CFM experience we can.

Sorry for the long reply my friend. Its amazing how deep you can go into this game. I look forward to hearing from you on how the sliders played.

SkUnDy aka Rebel_of_Torn

**Darth Aegis** · 10-26-2018, 12:31 PM

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That definitely is an interesting find regarding simming in CFM. I play offline CFM and control all 32 teams to an extent, so I probably would never noticed. I look foward to more of your findings on this. With the release of Red Dead 2 today, I know my Madden time will be cut in half, but I will play some this weekend.

**skundy** · 10-26-2018, 01:00 PM

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Heard that. I will keep you posted. I'm looking forward to Red Dead myself. Will be awhile before I get it. Let me know how it is. Loved the first one.

**JoshC1977** · 10-26-2018, 01:11 PM

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The simming thing kinda makes sense if you think about it.

So...if I am at week 3, game results are going to be generated when I advance from week 2 to week 3 for all CPU results (to allow for the in-game updates and score ticker and so on). For simmed games under user control, the week 3 results are getting generated as you advance from week 3 to week 4....it's simming at a different time.

**Darth Aegis** · 10-26-2018, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by skundy

Heard that. I will keep you posted. I'm looking forward to Red Dead myself. Will be awhile before I get it. Let me know how it is. Loved the first one.

Will do! Game of the yr I'm sure. Some Madden is on the docket for tonight as well.

**skundy** · 10-26-2018, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by JoshC1977

The simming thing kinda makes sense if you think about it.

So...if I am at week 3, game results are going to be generated when I advance from week 2 to week 3 for all CPU results (to allow for the in-game updates and score ticker and so on). For simmed games under user control, the week 3 results are getting generated as you advance from week 3 to week 4....it's simming at a different time.

Thank you for the fresh thought on the subject. I did not think about it in that sense. You have enlightened me oh enlightened one.

SkUnDy aka Rebel_of_Torn

**skundy** · 10-26-2018, 03:06 PM

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I have added some season stats to the first post. I will be updating with more stats throughout the evening. Have a great weekend guys.

SkUnDy aka Rebel_of_Torn

**dc thompsoncanyon838** · 10-26-2018, 04:20 PM

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... wondering if Red Dead is scripted ? ...shoot the bad guy... Lol!

**skundy** · 10-26-2018, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by dc thompsoncanyon838

... wondering if Red Dead is scripted ? ...shoot the bad guy... Lol!

Lol. After playing it I may need to adjust the bullet accuracy slider. I'm a terrible aim but my shots always find the hit box by being sucked in.

**Slimthugga76** · 10-27-2018, 10:31 AM

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What about special teams

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