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  • UnbelievablyRAW
    MVP
    • Sep 2011
    • 1245

    #1

    We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

    This has been a problem with 2k for years. Even just writing my title, I see a bunch of topics people have created dating back to 2013 about all the illegal screens that 2k allows players to use in game.

    Lets start with moving screens. This is something that has been allowed in 2k for years. If you played 2k16 when they first allowed Curry to shoot fadeaway 3's from damn near half court, you will immediately recognize this action of calling a pick when running for speed down the court and actually use the pick before the man is set. This is an offensive foul in real life 10/10 times. Its not even subtle.



    Even more egregious is that this sort of screen works as well. If you miraculously happen to not get stuck into the chest of the screener, the screener will continue to move with you until you do. No call of course



    The next issue is the screen animations themselves. The animations are too long and drawn out and completely take away agency from the user. This means that on offence, all you need to do is call a pick and wait for the game to suck the defender into an animation then shoot a 3 or drive to suck in another defender.



    If you play MyTeam Unlimited, 9/10 people use this as their entire offence. Call a screen and wait until you get sucked into the animation and shoot a 3. Again, maybe with Joe Ingles this guy misses. But when you're trying to defend it against Granger with 99 in every 3pt category then don't be surprised if he shoots 5/8 from 3.



    Lastly, the AI makes terrible decisions as the roll defender regardless of if you allow the AI to guard both players in the PnR or you handle one or the other. Look at how I beat the screen with WB here, only to see Porzingis just standing there disengaged on defence not guarding anyone. Even if the AI wanted me to switch, that makes zero sense for multiple reasons.

    1. There is 20 seconds left on the shot clock. This is not a late clock situation.
    2. I beat the screen. There is no reason to prematurely switch if the ball defender doesn't lose his man
    3. The mismatch it causes to switch is massive. KAT would destroy WB in the post if I were to switch onto him (also, even in times I do try to switch, the AI won't even guard the ball handler and leave him for an open 3)



    I already know you're cracking your hands to tell me to change my defensive settings, but why is it that we all are required to turn off 2k's dynamic coaching and set blanket common sense PnR defence coverage every game that we play?

    I primarily play MyTeam since 2k17, and as always, as soon as highly rated cards (the ones that are 90+ in all offensive categories with gold and HOF badges) come out, all the issues with basic fundamental gameplay become hard to ignore. Its easy to forgive a blown coverage on a PnR when the roller will probably miss his layup or the ball handler isn't that great of a shooter. When you're facing guys that are 99 in everything however, boy do these issues make it hard to keep you playing this game
  • Housh123
    Banned
    • Jan 2011
    • 1173

    #2
    Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

    I can say nothing but i agree. The CPU switching in MyCareer is stupid


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    • OrlandoTill
      Rookie
      • Sep 2016
      • 169

      #3
      Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

      My main problem is that bad dribblers are using on-ball screens and having too much success.

      Why is Joe Ingles using on-ball screens?
      (I know he's a borderline case but hear me out)

      Why is a random Pure SharpShooter/Pure Stretch Big with HOF shooting badges getting away with dribbling and using an on-ball screen?

      These types of players should be extremely prone to slower/bad shooting animations, pickup animations, steals, no matter who the screener is.

      The more I think about it if this aspect(plus having wraps in the game) of on-ball screens were addressed we wouldn't completely need the heavy contest buff we got that broke inside scoring.

      The skill gap for using screens needs to be MUCH HIGHER for non-dribbling players.

      As for dealing with working with the CPU I think you just need to set your Defensive Communication settings on.
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      • Bahnzo
        Can't spell antetokounmpo
        • Jun 2003
        • 2809

        #4
        Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

        Originally posted by OrlandoTill
        As for dealing with working with the CPU I think you just need to set your Defensive Communication settings on.
        I have the communication settings on, but they are often incorrect. When my AI teammate calls for a switch, it's 50/50 if they are actually going to switch. And so many times I see my Center calling a mismatch, when he's matched up with the other center. So relying on the AI's communications aren't something you can really do.
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        • ItchyNscratchy
          Banned
          • Jan 2018
          • 305

          #5
          Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

          Really tbh none of those gifs you posted are illegal screens except the BNY and TOR game. You are just terrible at reading the screens. You dont always have to bump into them. I see people here complaining about illegal screens but when i use my 70 overall PLAY/SHARP, i had to guard an overall 93 in rec center and i completely shut him down and was hounding him. Im seriously thinking of making a video and show everyone here how to avoid them. The only difficult screens are the double screen on the top of the key those are hard to ger around.

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          • Housh123
            Banned
            • Jan 2011
            • 1173

            #6
            Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

            The AI switching has been stupid forever

            My career defense is basically impossible to play because of this. I will clearly switch and my AI instead of switching will try to run back to his man leaving mine wide open


            Then when they do switch it’s totally random and stuoid


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            • UnbelievablyRAW
              MVP
              • Sep 2011
              • 1245

              #7
              Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

              Originally posted by ItchyNscratchy
              Really tbh none of those gifs you posted are illegal screens except the BNY and TOR game. You are just terrible at reading the screens. You dont always have to bump into them. I see people here complaining about illegal screens but when i use my 70 overall PLAY/SHARP, i had to guard an overall 93 in rec center and i completely shut him down and was hounding him. Im seriously thinking of making a video and show everyone here how to avoid them. The only difficult screens are the double screen on the top of the key those are hard to ger around.
              The screen setter can’t be moving while the screen is being set and used by another player or its an illegal screen. Don’t know how difficult that is to understand? The examples I highlighted of the screener moving into the path of the defender aren’t really arguable. You can clearly see the screener moving lol

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              • Bahnzo
                Can't spell antetokounmpo
                • Jun 2003
                • 2809

                #8
                Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

                Originally posted by UnbelievablyRAW
                The screen setter can’t be moving while the screen is being set and used by another player or its an illegal screen. Don’t know how difficult that is to understand? The examples I highlighted of the screener moving into the path of the defender aren’t really arguable. You can clearly see the screener moving lol
                I agree with you. Don't let the "you have to git guud" folks bother. The whole moving screen thing is a problem with this game. But also, it would be a real issue if they called it every time, because the CPU/AI does it way too much.

                I don't know what the answer is here, but I'd hope 2K see's this and would put it on their list to tidy up in the future.
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                • Kushmir
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 2414

                  #9
                  We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

                  BRAVO. [emoji1547][emoji1547][emoji1547][emoji1547][emoji1547][emoji1547][emoji1547][emoji1547][emoji1547]

                  Past time we had the discussion related to getting the defender stuck in screen animations and why illegal screens so rarely get called.

                  P.S. Agree with Bahnzo, ignore the "git gud" contingent...soooo many of them aren't good enough to make "level of skill" arguments. TRUST.
                  Last edited by Kushmir; 11-20-2018, 05:19 PM.
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                  • troyl
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 58

                    #10
                    Give us the option to turn it off.

                    Will 2K please have an illegal screens foul slider or give us the option to turn it off? Why it's not included in the game already is beyond me. You need to wait an unrealistic amount of time for the screener to set and even then, once you start guiding the defender into the screen the screener will sometimes move and TWEET! Foul.

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                    • TonyBake
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2018
                      • 87

                      #11
                      Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

                      Yeah, the pick & roll game needs to be overhauled.

                      Like the OP said, it's too easy. There's no need to worry about positioning on the court or where your teammates are or where the defense is or who the ballhandler is...Just tilt your stick ever so slightly and watch the on-ball defender warp into a black hole of a screen.

                      This is noticeable in regular play now games but accentuated even further in the Park where team offenses revolve around having any sharpshooter zigzagging around screens until they have 1/64 of an inch of space and can pull up with their fast af perfect-green release

                      I'm glad they finally improved the switch defense...some. They should really add a button/control to TELL the AI when you want to switch. Because sometimes I beat the screen but the AI decides to switch the screen no matter what and leaves their man extra wide open. For that reason, I catch hedge everything no matter what and deal with mid-range jumpers.

                      And lastly, they added more illegal screen calls but it's hella inconsistent. Sometimes you can still run into screens way too early and not get a call. Sometimes the defender can purposely take the screen early and force a call. And sometimes, if you're special, you use the screen properly and now the AI will randomly decide to Robert Horry hip-check your defender for you.

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                      • mb625
                        DJ2K
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 5016

                        #12
                        Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

                        Originally posted by ItchyNscratchy
                        Really tbh none of those gifs you posted are illegal screens except the BNY and TOR game. You are just terrible at reading the screens. You dont always have to bump into them. I see people here complaining about illegal screens but when i use my 70 overall PLAY/SHARP, i had to guard an overall 93 in rec center and i completely shut him down and was hounding him. Im seriously thinking of making a video and show everyone here how to avoid them. The only difficult screens are the double screen on the top of the key those are hard to ger around.
                        Really? THAT is the one that looks like an illegal screen? Not the one where the screener is literally running into the ballhandler before he even stops running? Not the one where Porzingis literally rides the on-ball defender for three steps before re-setting his screen?

                        Just because you defended it well in one game doesn't mean it isn't an issue
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                        • mfdoom911e
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2017
                          • 564

                          #13
                          Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

                          Originally posted by TonyBake
                          Yeah, the pick & roll game needs to be overhauled.

                          Like the OP said, it's too easy. There's no need to worry about positioning on the court or where your teammates are or where the defense is or who the ballhandler is...Just tilt your stick ever so slightly and watch the on-ball defender warp into a black hole of a screen.

                          This is noticeable in regular play now games but accentuated even further in the Park where team offenses revolve around having any sharpshooter zigzagging around screens until they have 1/64 of an inch of space and can pull up with their fast af perfect-green release

                          I'm glad they finally improved the switch defense...some. They should really add a button/control to TELL the AI when you want to switch. Because sometimes I beat the screen but the AI decides to switch the screen no matter what and leaves their man extra wide open. For that reason, I catch hedge everything no matter what and deal with mid-range jumpers.

                          And lastly, they added more illegal screen calls but it's hella inconsistent. Sometimes you can still run into screens way too early and not get a call. Sometimes the defender can purposely take the screen early and force a call. And sometimes, if you're special, you use the screen properly and now the AI will randomly decide to Robert Horry hip-check your defender for you.
                          Literally what happens in NBA right now. why even complain about this?? it should be like that right?? cmon dont ask for a perfect call base on your opinion that only favours how you play. there should be an elemnt of suprise in there..

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                          • mb625
                            DJ2K
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 5016

                            #14
                            Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

                            Originally posted by mfdoom911e
                            Literally what happens in NBA right now. why even complain about this?? it should be like that right?? cmon dont ask for a perfect call base on your opinion that only favours how you play. there should be an elemnt of suprise in there..
                            I mean... I guess there is human error there, but right now it's SO random that it's a major hindrance in game. Take a look at the parts of this video that address screens (1:06 is a great place to start.). As much as the blatant illegal screens hinder the defense, some of the forced illegal screens hinder the offense greatly. At 1:06 here, he does everything right. Waits for the screen to be set, sees that the feet are planted... and get the illegal anyway.


                            For players who play sim stylistically, it's also a major hindrance with off-ball screen plays. I've had games with multiple unforced TOs because of this. These are TOs that my opponents rarely deal with because they're not running plays. Really puts me behind the eight-ball compared with my opponent and it's completely out of my control.

                            EDIT: Just realized I forgot the video. Woof!

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                            Last edited by mb625; 02-19-2019, 05:05 PM.
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                            • Kully
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 3178

                              #15
                              Re: We need to talk about illegal screens, screen animations and AI PnR defence

                              Give us an illegal screen slider 2K, please.

                              It's really annoying watching animations just suck the defender in and having him phase through the offensive player then getting called for an illegal screen. I didn't even do anything wrong, I waited for the screener to be set, buty no, thew animation takes over and messes everything up.

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