How is tiebreaker determined?

[SecretSquirrel30]

There is a two-way tie in conference. In the same division. Both teams 10-2. Both teams 5-0 in division. The tied teams didn't play each other. No common opponent where one team lost and the other team won. Each team's two losses came out of conference to different teams.



How is the tiebreaker determined?

[matt2053]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

There is a two-way tie in conference. In the same division. Both teams 10-2. Both teams 5-0 in division. The tied teams didn't play each other. No common opponent where one team lost and the other team won. Each team's two losses came out of conference to different teams.



How is the tiebreaker determined?

Uh, how can two teams in the same division no play each other? The whole point of the divisions is to have a set group of teams where each team plays each other team.

[sherrane]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

There is a two-way tie in conference. In the same division. Both teams 10-2. Both teams 5-0 in division. The tied teams didn't play each other. No common opponent where one team lost and the other team won. Each team's two losses came out of conference to different teams.



How is the tiebreaker determined?

There is no conference championship game, by NCAA rules. In a conference divided into two divisions, a team must play all teams in their division for the conference to have a championship game. In a conference that isn't divided into divisions, all teams must play each other (round robin). These are the rules in order to prevent the scenario you presented from happening. I've never seen this bug in this game.



Some of the BCS conferences would have the highest ranked team in the BCS Standings as the champion (rather than a coin flip) after processing several tie breakers without being able to determine a champion. That's probably the best approach here.

[SecretSquirrel30]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

There is no conference championship game, by NCAA rules. In a conference divided into two divisions, a team must play all teams in their division for the conference to have a championship game. In a conference that isn't divided into divisions, all teams must play each other (round robin). These are the rules in order to prevent the scenario you presented from happening. I've never seen this bug in this game.



Some of the BCS conferences would have the highest ranked team in the BCS Standings as the champion (rather than a coin flip) after processing several tie breakers without being able to determine a champion. That's probably the best approach here.

What about as far as the game (NCAA 14) actually operates? Anyone know that?

[SilverBullet19]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

What about as far as the game (NCAA 14) actually operates? Anyone know that?

The game operates as the NCAA does, for the most part. It does have quirks here and there, but generally all teams within a division play each other. I know the C-USA is a bit screwy at times. This scenario is actually impossible. If there's 12 teams in the conference (so 6 in each division), there would be no way two teams could be 5-0 within their division. That's every other opponent, so one of them would have to beat the other, otherwise they would only play 4 division games.

Tie breakers are usually handled using the following metrics (if still tied, they move to the next): conference record, division record, overall record, poll rankings, points for, points against

[SecretSquirrel30]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

The game operates as the NCAA does, for the most part. It does have quirks here and there, but generally all teams within a division play each other. I know the C-USA is a bit screwy at times. This scenario is actually impossible. If there's 12 teams in the conference (so 6 in each division), there would be no way two teams could be 5-0 within their division. That's every other opponent, so one of them would have to beat the other, otherwise they would only play 4 division games.

Tie breakers are usually handled using the following metrics (if still tied, they move to the next): conference record, division record, overall record, poll rankings, points for, points against

I'm thinking some, if not a lot of it, is due to there being 7 teams in one division and 6 in the other; but I've never seen anything like it.



As a footnote I wasn't 5-0 in the division. I thought about it more and I was operating under a false premise but a new oddity emerged.



I think the 7 (uneven) and the 13 (unever) REALLY threw things off but I've never seen anything like it.



I ended up finishing 3-0 in division and all teams in my division either had 5 division games or 3. I don't think I've seen that before and I've been in A LOT of dynasties.

[SilverBullet19]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

I'm thinking some, if not a lot of it, is due to there being 7 teams in one division and 6 in the other; but I've never seen anything like it.

As a footnote I wasn't 5-0 in the division. I thought about it more and I was operating under a false premise but a new oddity emerged.

I think the 7 (uneven) and the 13 (unever) REALLY threw things off but I've never seen anything like it.

I ended up finishing 3-0 in division and all teams in my division either had 5 division games or 3. I don't think I've seen that before and I've been in A LOT of dynasties.

Yeah I've heard of several people having issues with the C-USA doing really weird conference scheduling, and I agree it's likely due to the 13 teams. Easy fix is to remove or add a team.

[SecretSquirrel30]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

Yeah I've heard of several people having issues with the C-USA doing really weird conference scheduling, and I agree it's likely due to the 13 teams. Easy fix is to remove or add a team.

Yep easy fix for next season. This year I got left out of the conference title game.in an online dynasty because I was 3-0 in division while another guy (who I didn't play) was 5-0 so he went to the championship 😭😭😭 lol

[sherrane]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

Yep easy fix for next season. This year I got left out of the conference title game.in an online dynasty because I was 3-0 in division while another guy (who I didn't play) was 5-0 so he went to the championship 😭😭😭 lol

That's crazy. I've only heard issues like this when people have tried to resurrect the WAC or have attempted other conference modifications that were made in the db editor.



The MAC has 13 teams in the default NCAA 14 configuration because UMass was still in their trial period to determine if they wanted to become full members, which they did not. It seems strange they wouldn't apply that MAC schedule template to another 13-team conference.


Regarding how the game determines the champion is "same for all conferences", whereas some conferences have had quirks. Some conferences have a conference record followed by a division record tie breaker followed by head to head and I do not believe this game ever checks the division record, but I could be wrong. This usually manifests when there are more than two teams tied for the division or conference title.

[SecretSquirrel30]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

That's crazy. I've only heard issues like this when people have tried to resurrect the WAC or have attempted other conference modifications that were made in the db editor.



The MAC has 13 teams in the default NCAA 14 configuration because UMass was still in their trial period to determine if they wanted to become full members, which they did not. It seems strange they wouldn't apply that MAC schedule template to another 13-team conference.


Regarding how the game determines the champion is "same for all conferences", whereas some conferences have had quirks. Some conferences have a conference record followed by a division record tie breaker followed by head to head and I do not believe this game ever checks the division record, but I could be wrong. This usually manifests when there are more than two teams tied for the division or conference title.

What boggles my mind is how on a 12 game schedule I only had 3 division games. It's hard to insgine how that's even possible. Just nuts.



I think two CPU teams in the division were the same. Crazy.

[ZN30]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

I had a recent MAC season where Miami U and Richmond both went 8-0 in the conference (same division) but never played one another because of the 13-team unbalanced divisions.

The higher ranked BCS team (Miami) made it into the MAC championship game.

[Deegeezy]

Re: How is tiebreaker determined?

Should just be final poll ranking as the tie-breaker in this scenario, IMO.