Red Dead Redemption 2

[TheShizNo1]

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Only thing I agreed with from that article is that Rockstar needs to do more work making their AI more difficult. Other than that a lot of his complaints came off as someone looking for things to complain about. Again, it's weird how people feel they need to justify why they don't enjoy this game as much as others. If you don't like it then you don't like it. To put that much effort into an article to show why you dislike so much about the game is just silly and it was hard to take serious at times.

That's all you agree with? That's it?

Why did you even read the article, though? You seem pretty disgusted by the notion of people talking about not liking the game. When CFB season starts, I'm gonna ask you why are you telling us why you don't like something about The U instead of just turning the TV off lol. It's a polarizing game, man.

I agree with a lot of the article. Watching Arthur follow Dutch through hell and high water made me hate Arthur as much as Dutch. Why the hell did they decide to add rpg elements in the game? I have to go through the same slow *** motion animations to pick up some cards, an apple, and some tobacco. Having to check to make sure I have all my guns. Looting after a shootout taking so damn long and add to that it'll most likely involve a witness seeing you and snitching even though they weren't around when **** was happening.

All of that amongst other reasons are why I've never felt the need to go back to the game. That being said, it's still a good game. I see where people get enjoyment and I even see how it can be the goat for some.

But to completely miss or disregard why others would take issue with the game is just kinda narrow minded to me.

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[Fresh Tendrils]

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If Rockstar not making fun games anymore is me being over Rockstar then I guess it's been real.

[YuNgWuN]

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Game was not fun at all. Was blown away by the graphics at first but then the sluggish controls really started too show. The gunplay is mediocre at best. The walking through camp in a slow motion pace sucks. Hitching your horse was a damn nuisance. Rockstar makes good games they need to revamp the engine or just start from scratch cause outside of graphics it feels super dated. I'm happy god of war got goty over this that too me is the pinnacle of gaming just phenomenal in every possible way.

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[canes21]

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That's all you agree with? That's it?

Why did you even read the article, though? You seem pretty disgusted by the notion of people talking about not liking the game. When CFB season starts, I'm gonna ask you why are you telling us why you don't like something about The U instead of just turning the TV off lol. It's a polarizing game, man.

I agree with a lot of the article. Watching Arthur follow Dutch through hell and high water made me hate Arthur as much as Dutch. Why the hell did they decide to add rpg elements in the game? I have to go through the same slow *** motion animations to pick up some cards, an apple, and some tobacco. Having to check to make sure I have all my guns. Looting after a shootout taking so damn long and add to that it'll most likely involve a witness seeing you and snitching even though they weren't around when **** was happening.

All of that amongst other reasons are why I've never felt the need to go back to the game. That being said, it's still a good game. I see where people get enjoyment and I even see how it can be the goat for some.

But to completely miss or disregard why others would take issue with the game is just kinda narrow minded to me.

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How do I seem disgusted by the notion of people not liking the game? I said that the game isn't perfect and I understand why people won't like it. I just didn't agree with his article too much nor did I care for the way he voiced his complaints.



I can see why people don't like the pacing of the game, e.g. the animation speed you mentioned, I can see why people don't like the few RPG elements in the game, even though you can honestly ignore them completely, and I can see why people dislike it for a variety of reasons. If you dislike this game it doesn't disgust me, lol. I can 100% understand why people dislike the things I mentioned or parts of the story. The game is far far far from perfect.


What I disliked the most was how he'd setup a point over 10 paragraphs just to complain about the left trigger being used to target somebody in combat or in conversation. There was no need to use as many words as he did to complain about half the things he did. He went over and over and over with all of these analogies and whatnot to then just complain about some silly stuff.



The left trigger being used for dialogue and combat targeting is not a big issue to me. I think in all of the time I played the game I may have accidentally pointed my gun at 2 or 3 people tops. I think if that you constantly are accidentally aiming at people that is user error, not really a Rockstar error.



The same goes with him accidentally putting up his fishing pole constantly when trying to bait it. Does this guy have issues with controlling his own fingers? Again, I've probably spent at least 10-20 hours fishing, maybe even more, and I think I may have accidentally put my rod up 1 time in all of that.



Those are the kind of complaints that made me take him less and less serious as the article went on. The fact that this guy kept mentioning he had over 100 hours in the game and kept forgetting controls is more of a personal problem and less of a game problem in my eyes. This game did not have complicated controls. Clunky at times? Yes. Complicated,? Not really.



As for the complaints in your post, like I said, the pacing is definitely something I can see being a big turnoff for a lot of people. I don't dispute that one bit. I don't mind it, but that doesn't mean it is perfect. I prefer slower paced games, a lot of people don't. We all are allowed to have differing opinions. I simply would say if you find looting to be that tedious then skip it. It isn't a vital part to this game. It helps you to do it, but it doesn't really hurt you too much to not do it. You easily make enough money consistently throughout the game to where you can just bypass all looting and purchase everything you could ever need in 2 minutes.


Now, taking care of guns, that is another thing I can see people disliking. Again, no issues here. If I were Rockstar I would have setup a system to let people just disable that if they truly wanted. They didn't for whatever reason.



I used to be a big fan of Rockstar. They were my favorite developer. They aren't anymore. I think they delivered with this game. It will go down as one of my GOATs like RDRedemption did. That being said, they failed to deliver with GTAV. Both GTA Online and RDR2 Online are not what I care for and make me lose much respect for Rockstar. I think Rockstar has fallen to a point now where I am pretty skeptical of the next GTA release and any other future titles they make despite how good RDR2 is in my opinion.



To think I get disgusted by the notion people don't like this game is laughable to me. I understand 100% why people wouldn't like this game. I was a bit surprised so many people proclaimed it to be one of the GOATs because I thought Rockstar made a lot of decisions, mainly the pacing of the game, that would turn off a large number of players. My issue was how that guy used up a lot of space using too many words to get his point across just like my post probably is right now.



Long story short, I found a lot of his complaints to stem more from his own issues and less from the game. If you are mixing up controls after 100 hours or even 20 hours then that is more of a user error than a developer error. This game doesn't have a complex system of controls like an Arma or Escape from Tarkov. The controls are rather simple and the prompts come up to remind you constantly. If you are finding it too tedious to loot then skip it. If you are finding it too tedious too manage your weight then stop paying attention to that. Worrying about those things when the game is perfectly playable without worrying about them just means you are forcing yourself to not enjoy the game as much as you possibly could. Rockstar never forced you to really focus on looting outside a couple scripted moments. They never made you have to keep your weight in check. It is a lot like people that complain about crafting in games like The Witcher 3 or the entire series. If you really don't want to deal with crafting and alchemy then just set the settings up to allow yourself to skip it and move on. Complaining about game mechanics you are not forced to do is silly to me.


If this game made you watch your weight and looting was the only way to stay supplied then that would be one thing. The fact that both of those mechanics and many more can be ignored altogether makes it to where I can't take you too seriously if you are forcing yourself to do it and then complain about it. That's on you, not the developer at that point.

[TheShizNo1]

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This post and it's length are so symbolic to this game [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[canes21]

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So I guess you don't actually have anything else to say back?




Like I said, if you have issues with the pacing of the game or the story or other legitimate problems then I think you are 100% justified in those opinions. If you are going to complain about forgetting the controls after 100 hours like he did then I can't take you serious when you are taking your own issues and trying to pin them on the game.



Don't like the pace of looting? Don't loot. You really don't have to loot in this game to survive.



Don't like micromanaging the few RPG elements? You don't really have to do that, just stop worrying about it and you won't miss out on much of anything.


You are not going to like very element of every game you enjoy. If there is something you are forced to do that just sucks, complain about it. If you are forcing yourself to do something that the game doesn't require, then that is your own fault.


You don't play other games and force yourself to do things in them that aren't required and then complain about them do you? It'd be ridiculous to play Skyrim and try out being an archer and seeing I hate it and then forcing myself to get to level 75 archery and using bows every engagement then complaining about it, wouldn't it?

[ImTellinTim]

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That article could have been way shorter. I'd hate to see what it was before editing.

But the main point of the article is basically my take on the game, which I gave a while back. It's a great game that is marred by a lot of poor design choices for a modern game. Starting with the menu and all the way through many controls. I enjoyed it despite how annoying the game made it for me to interact with it.

[TheShizNo1]

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If you look at the post I originally posted of yours, you went on for a minute about people feeling compelled to write about not liking the game. That's why I said you came off as being disgusted.

Anything else to say? Not really. You didn't like the article and love the game.

That last post just made me think of the oversaturated dialogue in the game and I couldn't help but laugh lol



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[canes21]

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If you look at the post I originally posted of yours, you went on for a minute about people feeling compelled to write about not liking the game. That's why I said you came off as being disgusted.

Anything else to say? Not really. You didn't like the article and love the game.

That last post just made me think of the oversaturated dialogue in the game and I couldn't help but laugh lol



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Well, hopefully you understand now that I don't care if someone dislikes the game for legitimate reasons. There is plenty not to like in this game. My complaints lied more in the fact that his writing style was even worse than mine and a good portion of the things he tried to pin on the game were his own fault.


The game has an average story, Dutch is a pretty annoying character, the pacing is very slow and some things can be tedious. All legitimate complaints and I don't disagree with them. Now complaining about things you are never forced to actually do and have the option to ignore is funny to me. Forgetting the controls after you make it a point over and over that you have 100+ hours in the game is your own fault. The game has simple controls that can be clunky. Complain about the clunkiness, not the fact that you apparently have a terrible memory and can't remember basic controls after 100+ hours. Moving Arthur around in tight spaces can be irritating. Legitimate complaint. Accidentally aiming your gun at 1,000's of people because you are forgetful? Illegitimate complaint.

[YuNgWuN]

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I think the dude in that article is the only person complaining about the controls (although they are annoying) its EVERYTHING else that brings it down.

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[canes21]

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Game was not fun at all. Was blown away by the graphics at first but then the sluggish controls really started too show. The gunplay is mediocre at best. The walking through camp in a slow motion pace sucks. Hitching your horse was a damn nuisance. Rockstar makes good games they need to revamp the engine or just start from scratch cause outside of graphics it feels super dated. I'm happy god of war got goty over this that too me is the pinnacle of gaming just phenomenal in every possible way.

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This post gets the point across 100x better than the article did.


While I disagree with most of this post and don't see how hitching the horse was a nuisance, I respect this post so much more than I do that article.



My issue was more of that guy trying way too hard to reference as much as he could then show how RDR2 failed in whatever aspect he was focusing on when half of the things he griped about were his own issues, not the game.


Wanna say the gunplay was mediocre? Go for it. It wasn't ground breaking.



Wanna say the controls were a bit sluggish? Go for it. They weren't as responsive as some may have liked.


Wanna say walking in camp was a pain? Go for it. It was stupid to not let you run.


Wanna say the controls suck because you forget them 100+ hours into the game. That's silly.


Wanna say the random encounters are terrible because you couldn't trigger them at will? That's silly.



That's all I am saying.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I'm not going to read the article because it seems pointless to me; however, a gamer still having trouble remembering controls is not necessarily his own fault. There were times when I would fumble through the controls 40-50 hours into the game. The controls themselves are fairly simplistic, but the denseness everything the character can do (or not do based on context) can make trying to remember everything on the fly fairly daunting even 100 hours in. In the heat of the moment I shouldn't have to stop a think about the game's controls. Having to do that or fumbling through controls at inopportune time is a design flaw to me more than anything else and perfectly fair to criticize the game for.

There are plenty of other games with more complex control systems that are more efficiently and effectively integrated.

I think a large amount of Rockstar's problems stem from the fact that their core mechanics feel terribly outdated. Character movement is always sluggish and heavy. Combat gameplay of any kind is rarely intuitive and plays like an old arcade shooter. I haven't felt like the mechanics of the GTA or RDR have changed much since Niko gave us the euphoria engine.

[YuNgWuN]

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I'm not going to read the article because it seems pointless to me; however, a gamer still having trouble remembering controls is not necessarily his own fault. There were times when I would fumble through the controls 40-50 hours into the game. The controls themselves are fairly simplistic, but the denseness everything the character can do (or not do based on context) can make trying to remember everything on the fly fairly daunting even 100 hours in. In the heat of the moment I shouldn't have to stop a think about the game's controls. Having to do that or fumbling through controls at inopportune time is a design flaw to me more than anything else and perfectly fair to criticize the game for.

There are plenty of other games with more complex control systems that are more efficiently and effectively integrated.

I think a large amount of Rockstar's problems stem from the fact that their core mechanics feel terribly outdated. Character movement is always sluggish and heavy. Combat gameplay of any kind is rarely intuitive and plays like an old arcade shooter. I haven't felt like the mechanics of the GTA or RDR have changed much since Niko gave us the euphoria engine.

This. And that article was way to long couldn't get through 1/4 of it. Just seemed to be rambling on about whatever at some points.

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[ricky24]

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If Rockstar not making fun games anymore is me being over Rockstar then I guess it's been real.

I can see finding red dead a little boring. I didn’t but I can see it. I can’t really say the same about GTA V. I still think from a game design/technical standpoint it’s the best GTA we have. Complaints about the actual story are relevant. I can see why some people didn’t like the switching characters aspect of it.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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How is someone not remembering the controls after putting in 50-100 hrs in the game NOT their fault?

It’s not like its asking for some Street Fighter-esq combo just to draw your gun or holster it or to get on your horse?

That’s one I’m not sure I follow.